Re: [gaia] Fixes to "Alternative Network Deployments" Internet Draft

["Jose Saldana" <[e-mail]>]

Steve,

I was wondering... perhaps you could contribute two paragraphs about 802.22 for the draft...

Jose

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: gaia [mailto:[e-mail]] En nombre de Arjuna Sathiaseelan
> Enviado el: jueves, 06 de noviembre de 2014 20:19
> Para: Steve Song
> CC: gaia
> Asunto: Re: [gaia] Fixes to "Alternative Network Deployments" Internet Draft
> 
> Hello Steve,
>   I think this is a good suggestion and we should also add 802.22.
> 
> Also I think we need to add more details on TVWS. We will work with Marco and
> Ermanno on this.
> 
> Thanks once again Steve.
> 
> Regards
> 
> On 6 November 2014 16:37, Steve Song <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Hi Arjuna,
> >
> > Is there a particular reason that only 802.11af is mentioned when it
> > comes to TVWS?  Would it not make sense to include 802.22 alongside
> > 802.1af in section 4.2.3.1.2.
> >
> > Regards... Steve
> >
> >
> > On Thu Nov 06 2014 at 04:30:24 Arjuna Sathiaseelan
> > <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks Ioannis - I would also encourage others to read this draft and
> >> give feedback..
> >>
> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networks-01
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> On 5 November 2014 16:12, Ioannis Komnios <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >> > All,
> >> >
> >> > I have reviewed the “Alternative Network Deployments” Internet
> >> > Draft and I have found several things that could be fixed, in order
> >> > to make the text more concise and readable.
> >> >
> >> > Issues to be considered
> >> > p.4 We should introduce the acronym AN for Alternative Networks,
> >> > since we use it in the document.
> >> > p.5 The Free Network description does not read well here, since it
> >> > MAY be the same as a Community Network. I suggest to create a
> >> > separate sub-section, where we define a Free Network.
> >> > p.5 “The principles of these networks” and p. 6 “These networks grow…”.
> >> > It
> >> > is not clear if we refer to community networks or free networks. We
> >> > should make it clear.
> >> > p.6 “These networks are also called sometimes “Free networks” or
> >> > even “Network Commons.” This is a confusing repetition and should be
> omitted.
> >> > p.7 “The network capacity shared…” This is a repetition, since it
> >> > is already mentioned in the previous paragraph.
> >> > p.6-7 The way crowdshared approaches and user-centric approaches
> >> > are defined right now is a little confusing, since they look really
> >> > similar. We can add some examples of each case to highlight the
> >> > differences.
> >> > p.7 FON missing reference: https://corp.fon.com/en
> >> > p.8 The bullets that describe the actors in user-centric networks
> >> > start abruptly. We should first add a sentence like “The actors
> >> > involved in a user-centric network are summarised below:”
> >> > p.8 We should define ISP and ASP acronyms when we first use them.
> >> > p.8 We should rename Section 2.4 Testbeds to Testbeds for research
> >> > purposes to make it more clear.
> >> > p.8 Section 3.1 mostly describes developing countries and digital
> >> > divide, not network deployment scenarios. For this reason, we could
> >> > rename this section “Digital Divide”. We can also add a reference
> >> > to the Digital Agenda Europe (http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/)
> >> > p.11 We should add a reference to dwellers that share the cost of
> >> > the infrastructure ant the gateway and access it via inexpensive
> >> > wireless devices.
> >> > p.11 We refer to scarce technical skills as a problem to rural areas.
> >> > The
> >> > same problem exists in developing countries, as well.
> >> > p.11 There is no need for a subsection 4.1.1. since it is the only one.
> >> > We
> >> > should re-write this paragraph more formally and move the reference
> >> > to the end of the document.
> >> > p.11 Add one more introductory sentence to Section 4.2. “Below we
> >> > summarise topics to be considered in such deployments.”
> >> > p.11 We first refer to Fresnel zone in p.11, but we describe it in p.12.
> >> > This explanation should be moved here.
> >> > p.13 Section 4.2.2. Link Length could be further split into three
> >> > subsections: Line-of-Sight, Transmitted and Received Power and
> >> > Medium Access Protocol.
> >> > p.17 Section 4.2.3.2. GMS should be re-written like “GSM has also
> >> > been used in Alternative Networks as layer 2 option.” and reference
> >> > should be moved to the end of the document.
> >> > p.19 When we refer to LEDBAT we can add the following two
> >> > publications that summarise some important LEDBAT issues:
> >> > -D.Ros and M. Welzl, “Assessing LEDBAT’s delay impact”,
> >> > Communication Letters, IEEE, vol. 17, no. 5, pp. 1044-1047, May 2013.
> >> > -I. Komnios, A. Sathiaseelan and J. Crowcroft, “LEDBAT performance
> >> > in subpacket regimes”, IEEE/IFIP WONS, Austria, April 2014.
> >> > p.19 Rename Section 5.2.1. "Services provided by these networks” to
> >> > “Services provided by alternative networks”
> >> > p.20 We should add an introduction to Section 5.2.1.1. such as
> >> > “Intranet services can include, but are not limited to:”. And also
> >> > make the first letter of each bullet capital.
> >> >
> >> > Typos and others
> >> > p.1 and p.4: “as well as providing Internet” -> “as well as Internet”
> >> > p.2 “network models as e.g., community networks” -> “network models
> >> > such as community networks”
> >> > p.4 “In line with this objective this” -> “In line with this
> >> > objective, this”
> >> > p.4 “Each of them have” -> “Each of them has”
> >> > p.4 “as well as technological” -> “as well as the technological”
> >> > p.5 “a obvious” -> “an obvious"
> >> > p.5 “Freedom 0 - Freedom” -> “Freedom 0 - The freedom”
> >> > p.5 “most reusable forms.” ” -> “most reusable forms. ”
> >> > p.5 “as long as you don’t harm” -> “as long as you do not harm”
> >> > p. 6 “to be normally used” -> “is normally used”
> >> > p.6 “as e.g. Less-than-best-effort” -> “as Less-than-best-effort”
> >> > p.7 “an people can” -> “and people can”
> >> > p.8 “ “Interest” “ -> “ Interest “
> >> > p.8 “The Virtual Operator: entity that” -> “The Virtual Operator (VO):
> >> > An
> >> > entity that”
> >> > p.8 “This section discusses the scenarios where alternative
> >> > networks are interesting or have been deployed.” -> “This section
> >> > discusses scenarios, where alternative networks have been
> >> > deployed."
> >> > p.9 “worried of being left behind” -> “in order not to be left behind”
> >> > p.9 “peoples” -> “people”
> >> > p.10 “Although it is undeniable the contribution… access gap,” ->
> >> > “Although the contribution… access gap is undeniable,”
> >> > p.10 “they do not deemed them profitable” -> “they do not deem them
> >> > profitable”
> >> > p.11 “stability and to that of the services” -> “stability and the
> >> > services”
> >> > p.11 “off-the-self” -> “off-the-shelf”
> >> > p.12 “omnis” -> “omnidirectional antennas”
> >> > p.12 “So a moderate gain” -> “A moderate gain”
> >> > p.13 “Of course, in the case of” -> “In the case of”
> >> > p.13 “Keep also in mind that the same type” -> “The same type”
> >> > p.13 “some vendor use” -> “some vendors use”
> >> > p.13 “So, for optimum” -> “For optimum”
> >> > p.13 “Bear in mind that the sensitivity” -> “The sensitivity”
> >> > p.14 “over water, if they cannot” -> “over water. If they cannot”
> >> > p.14 “So to achieve” -> “In order to achieve”
> >> > p.14 “a) increase the output power.The maximum” -> “a) Increase the
> >> > output power. The maximum”
> >> > p.14 “the EIRP (Equivalent Isotropically Irradiated Power)” ->
> >> > “Equivalent Isotropically Radiated Power (EIRP)”
> >> > p.14 “So one can increase” -> “One can increase"
> >> > p.14 “can be reduced say from” -> “can be reduced from”
> >> > p.14 “is related with the medium” -> “is related to the medium”
> >> > p.14 “This will reduce significantly the” -> “This will
> >> > significantly reduce the”
> >> > p.16 “This is means” -> “This means”
> >> > p.16 “they are said to be associated” -> “they are associated”
> >> > p.16 “and will only communicate” -> “and only communicate”
> >> > p.17 “Remember that managed mode” -> “Managed mode”
> >> > p.17 “so it is likely that you will want to run a high repeater
> >> > site” -> “so a high repeater site is required”
> >> > p.17 “but most almost” -> “but almost”
> >> > p.18 “These networks are composed of” -> “Alternative Networks are
> >> > typically composed of”
> >> > p.18 “not guaranteed, the link stability” -> “not guaranteed and
> >> > the link stability”
> >> > p.18 “E.g., they use” -> “For example, they use”
> >> > p.18 “From crowd shared perspective and considering just regular”
> >> > -> “From crowdshared perspective and considering only regular”
> >> > p.18 “that implement a” -> “that implements a”
> >> > p.18 “and protect the sharer” -> “and protects the sharer.”
> >> > p.18 “requieres” -> “requires”
> >> > p.19 “And so, recently” -> “Recently”
> >> > p.19 “LETBAT" -> “LEDBAT"
> >> > p.19 “This application have shown” -> “These applications have shown”
> >> > p.19 “So, there are some” -> “There are some”
> >> > p.19 “explaining” -> “explanation”
> >> > p.21 “These networks follow” -> “Alternative networks follow”
> >> > p.21 “that manage the best” -> “that manages the best"
> >> >
> >> > Ioannis
> >> >
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