Re: [gaia] Gigabit/fibre networks, worth documenting/comparing experiences and lessons beyond the usual (market)

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Subject: Re: [gaia] Gigabit/fibre networks, worth documenting/comparing experiences and lessons beyond the usual (market)
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Steve, All,

Deliverables 1.2 and 1.4 of netCommons can be a good starting point for 
a "catalogue", even if they are obviously not exhaustive of every 
possible initiative.
https://netcommons.eu/?q=content/deliverables-page

They are public and under CC license, so feel free to start the 
catalogue from there. I'm sure Leandro can provide the relevan source 
material for reuse.

Best,
Renato

Il 17/09/2018 18:12, Steve Song ha scritto:
> 100% agree on the case studies and there are some cracking examples like 
> Guifi.net and B4RN but I feel like I don't have a sense of the landscape 
> yet which is why building a catalogue to begin with would really help 
> me.  From community-driven but ultimately private sector fibre 
> initiatives like Parkhurst in Johannesburg to electricity cooperatives 
> embracing fibre in the U.S, there are a host of different models out 
> there and some important lessons to be learned.
> 
> Interesting insights for me is the highly variable relationship between 
> the community, local government and the private sector.  Sometimes local 
> government is the hero and sometimes they are the villain.
> 
> B4RN exists largely in spite of local government.  In other cases 
> municipalities have led the way.  Municipal bonds seems likely a very 
> interesting approach for local government led models.  So much so that 
> there is a startup (https://neighborly.com/) that offers 
> community-bonds-as-a-service to municipalities.
> 
> Parkhurst mobilised the community (government was not involved in any 
> way) to build a critical mass of commitment, with individual streets 
> competing with each other in the suburb to see who could raise the 
> highest level of commitment.  But then they handed it all to Vumatel who 
> agreed to build and operate the network (at no charge to the community) 
> based on the commitments.  Now they have fibre everywhere, which is a 
> big improvement on Telkom, but it is still very expensive.
> 
> Cheers... Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 at 11:12, Jane Coffin <coffin@isoc.org 
> <mailto:coffin@isoc.org>> wrote:
> 
>     Case-studies are key as we will want to give colleagues as much
>     concrete/practical examples as possible.____
> 
>     __ __
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>     On the issue of online spreadsheet or etherpad – leaving that to the
>     team here to pick____
> 
>     __ __
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>     Internet Society | www..internetsociety.org
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>     Skype:  janercoffin____
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>     *From: *gaia <gaia-bounces@irtf.org <mailto:gaia-bounces@irtf.org>>
>     on behalf of "Song, Stephen" <stephen.song@gmail.com
>     <mailto:stephen.song@gmail.com>>
>     *Date: *Monday, September 17, 2018 at 2:45 PM
>     *To: *"gaia@irtf.org <mailto:gaia@irtf.org>" <gaia@irtf.org
>     <mailto:gaia@irtf.org>>
>     *Subject: *Re: [gaia] Gigabit/fibre networks, worth
>     documenting/comparing experiences and lessons beyond the usual
>     (market)____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     Hi all,____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     I would be happy to help with this.  My inclination would be to
>     start small.  To begin with, I would be happy with a list of fibre
>     initiatives, the country, link to website/news articles, and some
>     basic categorisation of the network that we can evolve as we go.____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     We could start with an online spreadsheet or etherpad?____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     Cheers... Steve____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 at 07:39, Leandro Navarro <leandro@ac.upc.edu
>     <mailto:leandro@ac.upc.edu>> wrote:____
> 
>         Thanks a lot Mallory, Michael, Arjuna for your comments. BTW,
>         the EY report is just amazing !____
> 
>         __ __
> 
>         Following Mallory’s comment, we could outline (rather than
>         detail) the practices, classify them, relate them to IETF/IRTF
>         activities and other groups, collect requirements,
>         recommendations, but something relatively brief, + compile
>         citations or case studies from the initiatives out there, that
>         could be a basis to understand the big picture, and identify
>         action points.____
> 
>         __ __
> 
>         Any other comment is very welcome. I will work on an initial
>         outline and will get back to the group in a week or two with a
>         proposal..____
> 
>         __ __
> 
>         Cheers, Leandro.____
> 
> 
> 
>         ____
> 
>             On 17 Sep 2018, at 11:01, Arjuna Sathiaseelan
>             <arjuna.sathiaseelan@cl.cam.ac.uk
>             <mailto:arjuna.sathiaseelan@cl.cam.ac.uk>> wrote:____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             Leandro, all ____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             this report  by EY is brilliant and has lot of info needed -
>             especially from Section 4:____
> 
>             https://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/ey-broadband-2022-unlocking-a-trillion-dollar-digital-economy/$FILE/ey-broadband-2022-unlocking-a-trillion-dollar-digital-economy.pdf____
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             __ __
> 
>             On 8 September 2018 at 20:27, Leandro Navarro
>             <leandro@ac.upc.edu <mailto:leandro@ac.upc.edu>> wrote:____
> 
>                 Hi everyone, ____
> 
>                 __ __
> 
>                 In the recent days I’ve seen several initiatives around
>                 fibre access infrastructure, ____
> 
>                 __ __
> 
>                 * Some coming from rural communities such as:____
> 
>                   - this nice video documentary from a community effort
>                 in Scotland:
>                 https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2018/09/video-documentary-looks-at-balquhidder-community-ftth-build-in-scotland.html
>                 <https://www.ispreview.co..uk/index.php/2018/09/video-documentary-looks-at-balquhidder-community-ftth-build-in-scotland.html>
>                 ____
> 
>                   - The well know B4RN community operator:
>                 https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2018/03/b4rn-helping-expand-1gbps-ftth-broadband-rural-cheshire.html
>                 <https://www.ispreview..co.uk/index.php/2018/03/b4rn-helping-expand-1gbps-ftth-broadband-rural-cheshire.html>
>                 ____
> 
>                   - Several other optical networks:
>                 https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/five-projects-got-first-ever-european-broadband-award____
> 
>                   - Including guifi.net <http://guifi.net/>:
>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3HYeD4Lm4____
> 
>                   - First nations such as http://knet.ca/ among others:
>                 https://www.internetsociety.org/events/indigenous-connectivity-summit/2017/presentations/
>                 and related aspects of electricity, water, economic
>                 development and employment, etc.____
> 
>                 __ __
> 
>                 * Traditional or new telcos such as
>                 https://www.gigaclear.com/ etc.____
> 
>                 __ __
> 
>                 * Other players such as google fibre:
>                 https://fiber.googleblog.com/ In this article they
>                 discuss about lessons learned
>                 https://hbr.org/2018/09/why-google-fiber-is-high-speed-internets-most-successful-failure____
> 
>                 __ __
> 
>                 The list is endless.____
> 
>                 __ __
> 
>                 All seem successful in different ways, with different
>                 lessons learned about scale, local investment,
>                 infrastructure sharing like ducts and poles, cost
>                 reduction from the involvement of volunteers,
>                 involvement of content and service providers
>                 (googlefiber), etc. In the netcommons.eu
>                 <http://netcommons.eu/> project we have looked at
>                 different business and organisational models for
>                 community networks specifically, but there are other
>                 successful models that have socio-economic impact.____
> 
>                 __ __
> 
>                 *Would you find useful to compile a GAIA/IRTF document
>                 about good practices, lessons learned, to build
>                 high-speed/fibre/gigabit network infrastructures in
>                 challenging environments? which means beyond the last
>                 frontier of rural, remote, underdeveloped, underserved
>                 areas.*____
> 
>                 __ __
> 
>                 By the way, there is this upcoming related event:
>                 https://www.internetsociety.org/events/indigenous-connectivity-summit/2018/____
> 
>                 The report from the previous edition is a recommended
>                 read:
>                 https://www.internetsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/2018-01-04_ICS-Report-final.pdf____
> 
>                 __ __
> 
>                 Cheers, ____
> 
>                 --
>                 Leandro Navarro
>                 http://people.ac.upc.edu/leandrohttp://dsg.ac.upc.edu
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