Re: [Gendispatch] draft-kucherawy-bcp97bis

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Mon, 15 August 2022 19:34 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] draft-kucherawy-bcp97bis
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Postscript: this is actually something that would have once been 
reasonable to discuss on the ietf@ list.   IMO it should still be 
reasonable to hold such discussions there.

Keith

On 8/15/22 15:30, Keith Moore wrote:
> I think this work needs to be done somehow, even if it's mostly going 
> to be a chore rather than something that people get excited about.   I 
> don't have a problem with AD sponsorship of this draft, and spinning 
> up a separate WG seems unnecessarily cumbersome.
>
> Keith
>
> On 8/15/22 04:25, Kirsty Paine wrote:
>> Hi gendispatchers,
>>
>> I'm seeing weak support for continued AD-sponsorship of this draft. 
>> Please raise any strong objections or endorsements for that summary 
>> and path forward, ideally in the next fortnight.
>>
>> On dispatching process: if a topic generates lots of discussion, 
>> seems controversial or raises strong multi-party disagreements on 
>> paths forward, then we need agenda time to discuss more thoroughly. 
>> However, if it doesn't (and so far, it seems it does not), I'm happy 
>> to pass this through via mailing list consensus when stretched over a 
>> long period (multiple weeks), as it provides ample opportunity for 
>> the community to object or endorse.
>>
>> Therefore, please share your views in the next fortnight...
>>
>> Kirsty
>>