Re: [Gendispatch] Final public warning (Was: Messages from the gendispatch list for the week ending Sun Apr 11 06:00:06 2021)

[Dan Harkins <[e-mail]>]

   Hi Bron,

On 4/20/21 3:00 AM, Bron Gondwana wrote:
> Damn it Dan, being a jerk doesn't help your cause any or make it 
> easier to support any good points you make.
>
> This email was straight up jerk.

   Yes, you're right. It was jerk. I can, and should, do better.

> She works at an organisation which enforces such crap on all outbound 
> email.  Boo hoo, sucks to be her - but that's what pays the bills and 
> there are other things about working there which are less awful, I'm sure.

   Well, there are plenty of free email accounts to use. No requirement
to succumb to the whims of someone in legal.

> You're pounding on the table. Please desist for the sake of everyone 
> else in this conversation.  It makes it look like the facts and the 
> law aren't on your side.

   Point very well taken. I do think facts are on my side and I do think 
I have
been obscuring that with my, as you put it, straight up jerk email.

   Facts are:
     - There was nothing in my email that "characterized another participant
        on the list". I did not make reference to anyone's distinctive 
features
        which is what "characterize" means. I said someone is probably 
not the
        right person to write a draft and Kirsty snipped the reasoning. 
Yes, I
        probably could've said that with more tact but snipping an email to
        make it look worse in order to justify a public notice 
is...well, not really
        right.
     - Kirsty makes it look like there were two issues in the past but 
they're
        both references to the same post of mine that resulted in an
        admonishment by Pete and Francesca.
     - And as I said to Pete and Francesca in a zoom call at the time, I did
        nothing wrong. They were criticizing me for doing things others did
        that got no public notice. It was/is viewpoint discrimination 
and that's
        not right. Pete, at the time excused his viewpoint 
discrimination because
        he said I was trolling. His reasoning for that? I had to be, 
because I was
        being given a public notice, he just asserted it must be true 
because it
        justified his behavor. It was the most circular of reasoning.

These are not legitimate reasons to remove my posting privileges.

   Dan.

> Regards,
>
> Bron.
>
> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021, at 06:17, Dan Harkins wrote:
>>
>>   You know what's inappropriate? Copyrighting your email with some
>> vague legalesey footer.
>>
>>   You chastising my reference to the distinctive features of someone
>> (what "characterizing" means) is not subject to a FOIA request! Is
>> that a joke?
>>
>>   Dan.
>>
>> On 4/19/21 10:13 AM, Kirsty P wrote:
>>>
>>> On 14 Apr 2021, at 18:27, Dan Harkins wrote:
>>>
>>> >On 4/14/21 3:55 PM, Rob Sayre wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> To me, it shows that the IETF list should not be given the deference
>>> >> it is now (as suggested in other drafts).
>>>
>>> >   To me it shows that you're probably not the right person to write a
>>> > draft to cancel the IETF list.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan,
>>>
>>> That comment is inappropriate, characterizing another participant
>>> on the list. You've been warned about this sort of message repeatedly.
>>>
>>> While the chairs are under no obligation to give you a public warning
>>> (RFC 3934 only says "the WG chair should send at least one public
>>> warning on the WG mailing list"), given the events of last 
>>> October[1][2], we
>>> are inclined to give you this one final public warning: Such
>>> characterizations or other disruptive behaviour on the list will not be
>>> tolerated and your posting privileges will be suspended if it happens
>>> again.
>>>
>>> Kirsty and Pete
>>>
>>> [1] 
>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/fjyO2yW8ltVLD9jL2blUMGn94SQ 
>>> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/fjyO2yW8ltVLD9jL2blUMGn94SQ>
>>> [2] 
>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/CnaOc7y8s6L77z0h-b3DtE0gfOs 
>>> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/CnaOc7y8s6L77z0h-b3DtE0gfOs>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>   Bron Gondwana, CEO, Fastmail Pty Ltd
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escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius