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Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders-03.txt

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Fri, 12 January 2024 22:15 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, "gendispatch@ietf.org" <gendispatch@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders-03.txt
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders-03.txt
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> Note, I am not at all against welcoming policy people to participate in the IETF. Just don't suggest that our technical choices haven't had societal impact since forever.

Fair enough.  Your proposed wording makes sense.

I'm glad we no longer talk about how the Interent's predecessor (ARPAnet) was designed to survive a nuclear war.

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