Re: [Gendispatch] Thoughts on draft-carpenter-gendispatch-draft-adoption

"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Thu, 23 July 2020 18:10 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Thoughts on draft-carpenter-gendispatch-draft-adoption
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My understanding of WG document adoption is a stronger statement than 
"no objection".
First and foremost, it is an agreement by the working group that the 
given document is a (not "the", but at least "a") good place to start 
working on the topic.
Second, when I as chair run such a call I expect to see enough interest 
that I believe the working group will work on the document.

As far as I know, those expectations are the (to a reasonable 
approximation) the communities expectation for the meaning.

Yours,
Joel

On 7/23/2020 1:20 PM, Michael Richardson wrote:
> 
> Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar> wrote:
>      > * Documents being adopted without a consensus call on the mailing list (and
>      > no previous action item in the charter or anything)
> 
> Chairs *ARE* allowed to do this according to the current guidelines.
> 
> Many chairs and many participants don't know this.
> It's something that I want to preserve.
> I would further say that the Adoption Call is just the chairs asking for
> objections before just adopting a document.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
>   -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
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