Re: [homenet] ANIMA scope + homenet interaction + charter v15

[Rene Struik <[e-mail]>]

Hi Benoit:

-1 on you suggestion #1.

I do not think suggesting "constrained networks and devices" to be 
suddenly out of scope helps: it is one of the main areas where 
semi-automatic management is imperative. If one has a bootstrapping 
solution and configuration negotiation/synchronization protocol that is 
not useful in constrained settings, what is the point? In my mind, it 
seems much more prudent to design schemes with constrained networks and 
devices and failure recovery models that apply there (configuration 
mismatch due to sleepy devices, malfunctioning data store, etc.), where 
these would then obviously also fit the less constrained, 
"professionally managed" networks. Design for the"nimble", so that both 
"nimble" and "fatter" networks can use this.

This also has the advantage that one is forced to think in terms of many 
potential actors, rather than a few ones, which helps in viewing 
solutions in terms of heterogeneous rather than homogeneous deployment 
models.

I have done all my reviews of nmrg drafts 
(http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/anima/current/msg00327.html) with 
constrained networks and devices in mind. It would be a shame if one 
would now narrow down the focus and rule this (future almost ubiquitous) 
deployment category out of scope.

Or, is this a political ploy, so as to avoid a turf war with homenet people?

If that is the case, it would be much more prudent to have another BoF 
to iron out some of these issues. {This may be prudent for reasons I 
already indicated in the same #00327 message as well - I will  not 
repeat those arguments here.}

Best regards, Rene

On 10/28/2014 4:13 PM, Benoit Claise wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> [sorry for double-posting, but we need the specific feedback from the 
> HOMENET community]
>
> 1. scope
> I finished reading the ANIMA mailing list and, based on the feedback, 
> Joel, Ted, and I would like to clarify the ANIMA scope for "the set of 
> specific reusable infrastructure components that support autonomic 
> interactions between devices" (quoting the charter)
>
> The charter currently mentions:
>     The ANIMA working group will initially focus on enterprise, ISP 
> networks and IoT.
>
> Multiple tracks were discussed on the mailing list.
>     * keep enterprise, ISP networks and IoT
>     * focus on enterprise and ISP networks
>     * everything, but the initial focus is enterprise and carrier?
>     * professionally-managed networks
>
> It seems to us that "professionally-managed networks" is what ANIMA is 
> after. And it's potentially a distraction to try to segment the scope 
> based on enterprise, ISP, homenet, or IoT. What is IoT after all?
>
> OLD:     The ANIMA working group will initially focus on enterprise, 
> ISP networks and IoT.
> NEW:    The ANIMA working group focuses on professionally-managed 
> networks.
>
> Does it sound about right?
>
> 2. Overlap with HOMENET
> This distinction in point 1 might help regarding the potential overlap 
> of the solution for distributed IPv6 prefix management.
> Btw, the new charter has been adapted:
> OLD:  A solution for distributed IPv6 prefix management within a network.
> NEW: the solution for distributed IPv6 prefix management within a 
> large-scale network
>
> Also, The HOMENET collaboration has been stressed in the charter.
>
> 3. Others
> I believe I took care of the others changes proposed on the mailing. 
> If this is not the case, let me know.
> At this point in time, please provide concrete change to the charter 
> text if some issues persist.
> Charter v15 has just been posted, and you can review the detailed 
> changes at 
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fcharter-ietf-anima%2Fwithmilestones-00-14.txt&difftype=--html&submit=Go!&url2=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fcharter-ietf-anima%2Fwithmilestones-00-15.txt
>
>
> 4. Security Advisor.
> I have requested one for ANIMA to the security ADs.
>
> Regards, Benoit
>
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