Re: Linking a cookie to an IP address is a very bad in 2015...

Jim Manico <jim@manico.net> Sat, 04 April 2015 16:16 UTC

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In the world of auto-updating browsers and therefor auto-updating user-agents, tying authentication to a user agent could have unintended negative consequences.

Tying authN to an IP address also has negative unintended consequences, like being on a mobile network while traveling, or being behind certain gateways - your IP address may change in short timespans. 

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> On Apr 4, 2015, at 3:18 AM, Max Bruce <max.bruce12@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The session ID is a cookie, so in the headers. And yes, because it also checks that cookie, which is randomly generated. It just enforces a user-agent server-side. It DID enforce an IP, but I removed this for other reasons discussed earlier.
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Walter H. <Walter.H@mathemainzel.info> wrote:
>> let me ask it different:  where is the Session ID, is it part of a http-header, part of a html-header, a session-cookie, or is it part of the URL itself that is requested?
>> 
>> the second: two ident configured hosts behind NAT do not differ neither in the user agent nor in the IP address; they only differ in the source TCP-port ...
>> 
>>> On 03.04.2015 09:13, Max Bruce wrote:
>>> When you say transmitting from host to server, what do you mean?
>>> And yes, if I understand what your asking. It effectively compiled a random hash, and then enforced an IP & user agent. I have recently removed the IP enforecement though.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Walter H. <Walter.H@mathemainzel.info> wrote:
>>>> On 01.04.2015 21:48, Max Bruce wrote:
>>>> What about linking to several? I wrote a session system for my Web Server that will only allow access to the original Session ID if the IP & User-Agent has remained unchanged, in order to protect against session hijacking. I've found it's highly effective, unless you IP Spoof.
>>> what kind of mechanism do you use for transmitting the Session ID from host to server?
>>> does it prevent access from an ident configured but different host behind a NAT?
>