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Re: Issue 271 of 5987bis - Proposed Standard or Internet Standard?

Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Mon, 16 January 2017 03:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: Issue 271 of 5987bis - Proposed Standard or Internet Standard?
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On 2017/01/16 10:29, Mark Nottingham wrote:
> Personal hat -
>
> I'd prefer Proposed Standard; I don't think we want to overly promote the use of this encoding in new header fields, so calling it an Internet Standard sends the wrong message.

Fully agreed!

Also, Julian mentioned that it might be additional work to move it to 
full Standard, but if this is ever necessary, it can happen as part of 
moving HTTP 1.1 to full standard, with very little overhead.

Regards,   Martin.

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