Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance
Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net> Mon, 17 May 2010 14:36 UTC
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Subject: Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance
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On Mon May 17 13:00:49 2010, Greg Wilkins wrote: > Websocket clients are going to receive 404's, 503's etc. > They are going to have to handle them sensibly and report > reasonable errors to the user. I entirely and wholeheartedly agree. I think this is so utterly self-evident as to warrant no discussion whatsoever, but just to keep people happy, I'll continue with some examples of why this circumstance might occur. Currently, in the XMPP world, there is BOSH. BOSH is a comet-like mechanism for tunelling XMPP (and other things) through HTTP. The URI is sometimes inherent in the client as delivered over HTTP; but it is also sometimes hand configured. It makes sense that if we were to use WebSockets in a similar way, then a desktop client might initiate a session with an HTTP service without knowing a priori if it's an HTTP or WebSocket service. If the URI is wrong, the client will receive an HTTP error. This will have to be handled sanely by the client and presented to the user. If anyone wants to suggest that these clients should be using TCP instead, I'll point out in a highly patronizing way that taking XMPP - a TCP native protocol - and slinging it over HTTP as BOSH sprang up due to this being impractical in some limited networks, so, y'know, duh. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:dave@cridland.net - xmpp:dwd@dave.cridland.net - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade
- [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance hybi issue tracker
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Vladimir Katardjiev
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Julian Reschke
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Salvatore Loreto
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Scott Ferguson
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Daniel Stenberg
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Pieter Hintjens
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Scott Ferguson
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Ian Hickson
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- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Julian Reschke
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Julian Reschke
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Willy Tarreau
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- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Shelby Moore
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance gustav trede
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- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Shelby Moore
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Shelby Moore
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Shelby Moore
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Shelby Moore
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- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Adam Barth
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Julian Reschke
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- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Shelby Moore
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Shelby Moore
- Re: [hybi] #1: HTTP Compliance Greg Wilkins