Re: [hybi] draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-00

[SM <[e-mail]>]

Hi Adam,
At 11:03 24-05-10, Adam Barth wrote:
>I usually try not to get involved in process discussions, but I
>thought it might be helpful to say a bit about the benefits of
>involving the whatwg in the process.

That has been discussed in October, 2009.  There were also arguments 
about the benefits of the IETF process.

>Generally, the whatwg mailing list has a higher ratio of technical
>content to meta-discussion, which means it's more approachable for
>developers who don't normally participate in standards.  For example,
>I've encouraged various members of the WebKit community to raise their
>concerns and questions about HTML5 in the whatwg instead of on
>public-html because, historically, I've found that they get
>friendlier, more productive responses, which encourages them to
>participate further.

Anyone can participate in an IETF working group.  I haven't raised a 
formal objection as I still believe that it is better to work things out.

>If we exclude the whatwg, we're likely to miss out on these points of
>view.  Although folks like you and I can handle participating in this
>forum, there's a group of folks who find this sort of forum
>intimidating and unwelcoming.  Of course, another solution is to
>encourage folks on this list to be friendlier and more welcoming.  One
>way to start down that road is to avoid speaking in absolutes or the
>imperative.

You are the second person who brought up the question of excluding 
the people from the whatwg.  Is there any message from this mailing 
list that points to that?

draft-ietf-hybi-websocket-requirements-00 was edited by G. Wilkins, 
Webtide.com and M. Stachowiak, Apple. Greg Wilkins resigned [1] as 
editor.  There was a thread about email granularity [2] and a 
discussion about consensus [3].  I am all for a friendlier and 
welcoming approach.  The discussion about the whatwg looks like a red 
herring.  The solution to look for is how to come to an understanding 
about how to get the work done while following the IETF 
process.  This is an IETF working group after all.

Regards,
-sm

1. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hybi/current/msg02020.html
2. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hybi/current/msg01610.html
3. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hybi/current/msg02074.html