Re: [hybi] draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-00

Hi,

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Adam Barth <ietf@adambarth.com> wrote:
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 2:59 PM,  <L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Feedback on an IETF working group internet draft goes to the IETF workgroup. Period. Feedback to whatwg that is not seen by the working group is not helpful to the draft or process. Remove mention of whatwg.
>
> I usually try not to get involved in process discussions, but I
> thought it might be helpful to say a bit about the benefits of
> involving the whatwg in the process.
>
> Generally, the whatwg mailing list has a higher ratio of technical
> content to meta-discussion, which means it's more approachable for
> developers who don't normally participate in standards.  For example,
> I've encouraged various members of the WebKit community to raise their
> concerns and questions about HTML5 in the whatwg instead of on
> public-html because, historically, I've found that they get
> friendlier, more productive responses, which encourages them to
> participate further.
>
> If we exclude the whatwg, we're likely to miss out on these points of
> view.

I think the exclusion is by choice if anything.  There is nothing stopping
the subscribers to whatwg@ to subscribe here.

>  Although folks like you and I can handle participating in this
> forum, there's a group of folks who find this sort of forum
> intimidating and unwelcoming.  Of course, another solution is to
> encourage folks on this list to be friendlier and more welcoming.  One
> way to start down that road is to avoid speaking in absolutes or the
> imperative.

I have seen decline of actual progress and, as a result, frustration.  The
messages coming as a result, read as they are already significantly toned
down to me.  These messages are still outnumbered by the ones that
have technical arguments for one way over the other.

To make a point though, to be [even] more friendly and welcoming here
isn't going to make a difference.  It may actually just take longer to get to
a conclusion.

Cheers,

Sander

> Adam
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