Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks
Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org> Wed, 03 February 2010 02:20 UTC
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks
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Greg Wilkins wrote: > Maciej Stachowiak wrote: > >> Then if we ever get HTTP/1.2 or HTTP/2.0, websocket will not break! > > > > If the client tries to upgrade an HTTP/1.1 request to WebSocket and the > > server gives an HTTP/1.2 or HTTP/2.0 response, then it had better break! > > We'll need to adjust the client side of the protocol before we can let > > servers respond with different versions of HTTP. > > Why? > > Saying HTTP/1.2 in a response line does not make the response > version 1.2. The version of the response is controlled by the version of > the request. The version in the response says what the server is capable > of. A HTTP/1.2 capable server should be able to server 1.0 websocket > clients without further breaking the http protocol by hacking about its > version for one particular upgrade protocol. This is not an issue, because a WebSocket server knows it's responding to a WebSocket/1.0 client and can send the required response. > So this is a perfect example how websockets will break future server > code by not following the http contract. It doesn't follow the HTTP contract to the letter, but it's not illegal to "become" a 1.0 server :-) (Though it would affect part of RFC2616 which requires proxies to remember the HTTP version of recently used servers). It makes it hard to reuse existing server and proxy components, but doesn't make it impossible to share ports with HTTP. -- Jamie
- Re: [hybi] Fwd: Web sockets and existing HTTP sta… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Fwd: Web sockets and existing HTTP sta… Greg Wilkins
- [hybi] Fwd: Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Christian Biesinger
- Re: [hybi] Fwd: Web sockets and existing HTTP sta… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Fwd: Web sockets and existing HTTP sta… Christian Biesinger
- Re: [hybi] Fwd: Web sockets and existing HTTP sta… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Alexey Proskuryakov
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Justin Erenkrantz
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Justin Erenkrantz
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] [whatwg] Web sockets and existing HTTP… Pieter Hintjens
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Justin Erenkrantz
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Pieter Hintjens
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Pieter Hintjens
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks L.Wood
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Justin Erenkrantz
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks SM
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Mridul Muralidharan
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Mridul Muralidharan
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Mark Nottingham
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Pieter Hintjens
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Mridul Muralidharan
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Mridul Muralidharan
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Pieter Hintjens
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks SM
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Greg Wilkins
- [hybi] Sentinel framing. was: Web sockets and exi… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Francis Brosnan Blazquez
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Mridul Muralidharan
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Mridul Muralidharan
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Julian Reschke
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Vladimir Katardjiev
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Web sockets and existing HTTP stacks Maciej Stachowiak