[hybi] Proposed Charter for HyBi WG (rev.3)
Salvatore Loreto <salvatore.loreto@ericsson.com> Thu, 29 October 2009 09:56 UTC
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Subject: [hybi] Proposed Charter for HyBi WG (rev.3)
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Hi there, here a new/updated version of the charter proposal for HyBi wg. I have tried to include in this version all the suggestions and comments received in the mailing list discussion. please provide comments! Best Regards Salvatore Loreto Proposed Charter for HyBi WG (rev.3) Last Updated: 2009-10-29 ----------------------------------------------- Chairs: * TBD * TBD Applications Area Director(s): * Lisa Dusseault <lisa.dusseault@gmail.com> * Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com> Applications Area Advisor: * Lisa Dusseault <lisa.dusseault@gmail.com> Mailing Lists: General Discussion: hybi@ietf.org To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hybi Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hybi/current/maillist.html Description of Working Group: HTTP has in the past been used as a request/response protocol most often, leading to clients polling for new data or users hitting the refresh button in their browsers. Newer web applications are finding ways to push data from the server to the client as soon as it is available, through a variety of mechanisms. The Hypertext-Bidirectional (HyBi) working group will seek standardization of approaches that HTTP clients, servers, and intermediate entities can use to communicate with one another in both directions. Since any modification of the web infrastructure may take a good amount of time to be deployed, outputs of the working group will include both short and long term solutions. The existing web being much more complicated than it seems, the working group will prioritize the characterization of the design space, including the web clients, intermediaries, firewalls, NATs, web servers, etc. into which both solutions will need to be deployed. For both short and long term work items, a general approach is preferred, with abstract semantics that can apply to a large number of applications. The short term approach will be deployable on today's Internet, across across HTTP proxies, servers and whichever current or historical web browsers the working group decides upon. Although wide browser support is a goal, lack of support on any single browser version will not be a sufficient cause to block consensus. The short term approach may also define hints to allow HTTP-updated intermediaries and servers to optimize traffic. In the long term, new features will be required of clients, servers, or intermediaries allowing a more scalable and robust end-to-end experience. Although multiple protocols exist as starting points for both the short and long term, backward compatibility with these protocols is not a requirement. In particular, the working group will liaison with the W3C WebApps working group around the WebSockets protocol and the requirements to support the WebSocket API; if agreed by both parties, the HyBi working group may take on prime responsibility on the specification of the WebSockets protocol. Wide browser support is a goal for long term solution, however the solution should also be suitable for clients other than Web Browser. The Working Group will work to standardize a generic solution that can work efficiently in all the environments and elements of the web infrastructure (e.g. web browser, generic HTTP client, HTTP server and HTTP-aware intermediaries like proxies, load balancers, caches, etc.) and it is not specific for just one. The Working Group should consider: * Implementer experience * Impact on existing implementations and deployments * Ability to achieve broad implementation * Ability to address broader use cases than may be contemplated by the original authors The Working Group will produce one or more documents suitable for consideration as Proposed Standard that will: * Define requirements for short- and long-term solutions, including characterization of the design space * Define a short-term solution for the bi-directional web, deployable on today's Internet * Define a long-term solution for the bi-directional web, which will likely require modifications to the web infrastructure Goals and Milestones: --------------------- Mar-2010: WGLC on the Design Space characterization (Informational) May-2010: WGLC on Requirements document on Short term solution Jul-2010: WGLC on Requirements document on Long term solution Nov-2010: Requirements to IESG Mar-2011: WGLC on Short term solution improvements Nov-2011: WGLC on Long term solution protocol
- [hybi] Proposed Charter for HyBi WG (rev.3) Salvatore Loreto
- Re: [hybi] Proposed Charter for HyBi WG (rev.3) Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Proposed Charter for HyBi WG (rev.3) Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Proposed Charter for HyBi WG (rev.3) Salvatore Loreto
- Re: [hybi] Proposed Charter for HyBi WG (rev.3) SM
- Re: [hybi] Proposed Charter for HyBi WG (rev.3) Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Proposed Charter for HyBi WG (rev.3) Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Proposed Charter for HyBi WG (rev.3) SM
- Re: [hybi] Proposed Charter for HyBi WG (rev.3) Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Proposed Charter for HyBi WG (rev.3) Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Proposed Charter for HyBi WG (rev.3) Martin Tyler
- Re: [hybi] Proposed Charter for HyBi WG (rev.3) Salvatore Loreto