Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close the WGLC for draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm
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Subject: Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close the WGLC for draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm
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On 12/07/2022 18:44, Linda Dunbar wrote: > Sue, > > Thank you very much for the offer. > > The unsolved comments are from Tom Petch: Re: [I2nsf] WGLC for draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-16<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/d_Wk5fH35Jo_cdz4D0QZN5VNhFA/> > There are several responses to address Tom Petch's comments. Just Tom hasn't sent feedback if he is satisfied with the response. Weelll, probably as satisfied as I am going to get. I have reviewed cfi (customer facing interface-dm)-22 and compared some of it with capability-32. I have not - but hope to - compare against nsf-facing; nor have I re-read all the posts to the list but will. I do think that cfi is now in much better shape. I do see capability as the key, the base, set of definitions against which the others should be judged. capability says whether or not the box can do it, the others tell you how to do it. With that in mind, I am unconvinced about the response to my comments about icmp. The treatment is different. capability deals in icmpv4/icmpv6, type/code; cfi deals in echo/echo-reply which is the sort of user interface I am used to and would expect a security practitioner to be familiar with so some words about the mapping, referring to the IANA website for all the detail, could help users. I would put that in the body of the text not the YANG module Likewise, cfi has primary and secondary action which makes a lot of sense but what is the capability that makes that possible? capability has ingress-action, egress-action, default-action which seems a different axis to me. Again, some words about how the two relate could help, in the body of the document. Again continent is present in cfi but not in capability. Can a user tell if the capability is present? I expect not; as ever, worth a note. signature-set and signature-type sound the same but seem different. This is an aspect of security that I am not familiar with, at least not in those terms. Finally, there are some minor editorial glitches. RFC8075 I see in the YANG module; it needs adding to the I-D References. page 17 text version last sentence I cannot parse; perhaps a missing preposition the two rate-limit objects could do with units - I note that they are present in the examples page 55 text version [STIX] looks like an XML anchor but YANG modules must be plain text. Tom Petch > > Linda > > From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2022 12:21 PM > To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>; i2nsf@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close the WGLC for draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm > > Linda: > > I will review the document by Thursday (7/14) and send in a review of the document. Would you let me know what WG LC comments were not addressed? > > Cheers, Sue > > From: I2nsf <i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org>> On Behalf Of Linda Dunbar > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2022 1:17 PM > To: i2nsf@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org> > Subject: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close the WGLC for draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm > > > I2NF WG, > > draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm WGLC was inconclusive due to lack of support and some LC comments not properly addressed. There appeared to be limited reviews of the document during the WGLC > See the discussion history: [I2nsf] WGLC for draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-16<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailarchive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Fi2nsf%2FMFOohjnJ9fbylLB9eyccMRhrp04%2F&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7Cc95feb0ac382419474b808da642adfd0%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637932432560667469%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=f9Jlz0HgQw7NO%2BKer356WyaN9toprO8WCPEUBGhkAXI%3D&reserved=0> > > To proceed to publication more reviews and support from the WG for publication is needed. > We really appreciate more people reviewing the document, especially the people who are not the authors. > > Thank you > Linda Dunbar > > > > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf >
- [I2nsf] need more review and support to close the… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Susan Hares
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… tom petch
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Susan Hares
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- [I2nsf] Is the updated IPR license good with you?… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… yangpenglin@chinamobile.com
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Susan Hares
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Diego R. Lopez
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Susan Hares
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Susan Hares
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Susan Hares
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Diego R. Lopez
- Re: [I2nsf] Is the updated IPR license good with … t petch
- Re: [I2nsf] Is the updated IPR license good with … Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… t petch
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… t petch
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… t petch
- Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- [I2nsf] WGLC for draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing… Linda Dunbar