Re: [i2rs] Results of WG Adoption Call: draft-keyupate-i2rs-bgp-usecases
Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> Fri, 16 August 2013 14:59 UTC
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From: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [i2rs] Results of WG Adoption Call: draft-keyupate-i2rs-bgp-usecases
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Russ, I think that we realized that documenting all the use-cases in one draft was going to be unwieldy and not provide enough detail on the specific requirements. I think that the use-cases will fall into protocol-specific ones, RIB or "protocol-agnostic" ones, topology-specific ones, and "interacts with multiple protocols" cases. For the latter, I think we just have to document them separately or, possibly if they are developing at similar maturity, in a common draft. More specifically, what we have in charter is: - Tightly scoped key use cases for operational use of I2RS as follows: o Interactions with the Routing Information Base (RIB). Allowing read and write access to the RIB, but no direct access to the Forwarding Information Base (FIB). o Control and analysis of the operation of the Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) including the setting and activation of policies related to the protocol. o Control, optimization, and choice of traffic exit points from networks based on more information than provided by the dynamic control plane. o Distributed reaction to network-based attacks through rapid modification of the control plane behavior to reroute traffic for one destination while leaving standard mechanisms (filters, metrics, and policy) in place for other routes. o Service layer routing to improve on existing hub-and-spoke traffic. o The ability to extract information about topology from the network. Injection and creation of topology will not be considered as an initial work item. I could see a separate detailed use-case draft for each of these... We need the use-cases flushed out to describe the feedback loop, the frequency, and the information needed for writing and reading and events. Alia On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Russ White <russw@riw.us> wrote: > > > I'm a bit confused at this point about when those decisions were changed, > > and how we intend to proceed. > > I have one possible suggestion, after looking at the structure of the > drafts > again. What I think we might want to do is to pull the bgp use cases from > draft-white to bolster the bgp use cases draft, moving the bgp use cases > draft to an editor/contributor format (since it already has a lot of co's). > The remaining use cases can be put into a rib uses cases draft, where we > can > collect all the various "routing protocol agnostic" use cases. Again, we > could move this to editor/contributor --I'll be happy to hold the editor > baton for this new draft. > > There may be some question about what fits where (are all the bgp uses > really limited to bgp? Do we want a separate overlay use cases, or should > these fall into the protocol related draft they work with?), but I think > this is a workable model to get all the use cases organized into a > reasonable set of drafts that can be added to, etc., until the WG gets to > the point of having a 'first set' of use cases on the table. After this > initial batch is actually published, then it's going to be better to > continue with individual drafts for individual use cases, rather than > bis'ing this set, I think. > > Thoughts? > > Russ > >
- [i2rs] Results of WG Adoption Call: draft-keyupat… Alia Atlas
- Re: [i2rs] Results of WG Adoption Call: draft-key… Russ White
- Re: [i2rs] Results of WG Adoption Call: draft-key… Keyur Patel (keyupate)
- Re: [i2rs] Results of WG Adoption Call: draft-key… Russ White
- Re: [i2rs] Results of WG Adoption Call: draft-key… Susan Hares
- Re: [i2rs] Results of WG Adoption Call: draft-key… Russ White
- Re: [i2rs] Results of WG Adoption Call: draft-key… Alia Atlas
- Re: [i2rs] Results of WG Adoption Call: draft-key… Keyur Patel (keyupate)
- Re: [i2rs] Results of WG Adoption Call:draft-keyu… t.petch
- Re: [i2rs] Results of WG Adoption Call:draft-keyu… Alia Atlas