Re: [Iasa20] IASA 2.0 minutes

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 21 April 2017 20:19 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Iasa20] IASA 2.0 minutes
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On 22/04/2017 01:42, Jari Arkko wrote:
> 
>>> IIRC there were at least 3 global hosts who went to the mic line to express the opposite – that this would make sponsorships easier on an administrative level for sponsors (which tends to stimulate rather than suppress sponsorships).
>>
>> I suspect this is YMMV territory, so needs to be checked with maybe the
>> last 10 or so substantial sponsors.
> 
> For whatever it is worth, over time I’ve heard the same point that the global hosts expressed, also from a number of other large supporters of the IETF.
> 
> Just a datapoint, obviously.

Understood. But this does underline my concern (also see my next reply, to Alissa). It would
be catastrophic for money to arrive labelled "Foobar WG" or "Boofar protocol". We have to be
very, very careful that if money is earmarked for the IETF, it is absolutely neutral with
regard to the content of the IETF's work program.

   Brian