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Re: [Iasa20] IASA 2.0 minutes

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 03 April 2017 21:40 UTC

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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Iasa20] IASA 2.0 minutes
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On 04/04/2017 08:45, Livingood, Jason wrote:
> On 4/3/17, 10:28 AM, "iasa20 on behalf of Brian E Carpenter" <iasa20-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Question: Does that imply or require *legal* separation, or would it be satisfied
>     by accounting separation (i.e. two separate funds both administered by ISOC)?
>     
> Accounting separation is IMO what we have today, not what is being proposed. That is legal/financial separation, such as a different accounts payable name and tax ID number for example.

That scares me. It scares me because I think it could have a lot of highly
unpredictable consequences. Please recall that one of the main reasons for
founding ISOC in the first place was exactly this. 

I don't mean my mind is closed on this. But it would require enormous care
to avoid simply doing ISOC2. Really it would need to be done with a light
touch and ~zero staff. At least we could do it outside US jurisdiction
this time.
 
>> I have a concern that separating the sponsorship into two funds might do as much
>>    harm as good, at least for the standards-making fund.
> 
> IIRC there were at least 3 global hosts who went to the mic line to express the opposite – that this would make sponsorships easier on an administrative level for sponsors (which tends to stimulate rather than suppress sponsorships).

I suspect this is YMMV territory, so needs to be checked with maybe the
last 10 or so substantial sponsors.

    Brian

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