Re: [Iasa20] outside the US [was Answers]

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 17 March 2018 19:48 UTC

Return-Path: <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: iasa20@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: iasa20@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC3912D7F5 for <iasa20@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 17 Mar 2018 12:48:22 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FUTHE6FHyXgd for <iasa20@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 17 Mar 2018 12:48:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-pf0-x236.google.com (mail-pf0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F83912D864 for <iasa20@ietf.org>; Sat, 17 Mar 2018 12:48:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-pf0-x236.google.com with SMTP id a16so5480976pfn.9 for <iasa20@ietf.org>; Sat, 17 Mar 2018 12:48:21 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FePD/9wHhteo6yWmtqvoJnWguA29hYqgH5KOPPU4LVU=; b=QzewhruFPMPzkuxEVgqwH+fAFchD3Cgcw7wimetgT1pw3LTa5b02jGdRnA7s5yyFEZ 34S7HLVDX+z5H+jpgOGqLjhvvV2bZ0aiK85HN7sOXphK0BO8mYjQ9CRpxRlXZ4NZJJdo ie8kByCcXaVy4qULvugLuqshq2QEDciuh0EepdrfQXXO0hum0UAbO2FWGwsWEIjtss7I 1GGJ60rZSt7EOxXKYUGUTbM09+P88AbO3k2t6NtZktrroH6HQQzwbOYmNmvMQOQuFTqS 6MNOI8gJQFXLWvBitQvSG+neW1c1inaBYSjkrzc38e0TxvJo83BPEJnYtXZLqGT+Y928 DjlA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FePD/9wHhteo6yWmtqvoJnWguA29hYqgH5KOPPU4LVU=; b=GK4QKHmmvaT62mUoJeXYylBLbQ82CD8nYf6B929IcEhz48IfCzx6gMx95Vc2sLLX3w L7uEwk32tlN1CXFb+mFnBNTQYn4jlZYicfnJnGBrCqssq1UA7S5tog4PQT+LM7Yx3THr ch8JCGlMMYJH/20MlItB/rH/4fvoeR+UNMxqllmWQSy69j8E9e9uebWb2v6lG+obwIBE s0jqF7h4HFUCi47mKQryAqFwWZ0wvbHHhlowLR5j33r5SMkqXJ1MgqxgBuPD82iOyL3i l2pKXmmgQQ4TOFAXt2O5E6KJJyLdaOHtxKwrKCnOfsXHEVBm7SAj4VKE/0W8ezK+Ineb 1HsA==
X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7EtS2H03/Qdbl1gf2fh4xGH4CJeGspbm3K7bcdHZxlzPSXCJIL3 MNTElv85IljIUXmfnj7QAAXrxpRz
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELtL9pB4Ju3LlrfzA1/O/tv+nMX9alrNnP7JZ8LZs+ltwaz6HbAkpuORkYLG0F7XjClBJC2i2g==
X-Received: by 10.98.138.66 with SMTP id y63mr5570612pfd.12.1521316100326; Sat, 17 Mar 2018 12:48:20 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.168.178.30] ([118.148.72.177]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o2sm19711463pgq.54.2018.03.17.12.48.18 for <iasa20@ietf.org> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 17 Mar 2018 12:48:19 -0700 (PDT)
Sender: Brian Carpenter <becarpenter46@gmail.com>
To: iasa20@ietf.org
References: <20180316211438.mqjf74376cfkhdht@mx4.yitter.info> <5cc63d89-dbe9-ebcc-b390-0e62a4f00157@gmail.com> <20180317081303.wnlkojbpt7keacnz@mx4.yitter.info>
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <660f86b7-e181-bc50-33c6-39b6de0f9917@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 08:48:15 +1300
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <20180317081303.wnlkojbpt7keacnz@mx4.yitter.info>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/iasa20/ckEQ4OprvD_IjG8XlGsUbCtkgFo>
Subject: Re: [Iasa20] outside the US [was Answers]
X-BeenThere: iasa20@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: Discussions relating to reorganising the IETF administrative structures in the so called “IASA 2.0” project. <iasa20.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/iasa20>, <mailto:iasa20-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/iasa20/>
List-Post: <mailto:iasa20@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:iasa20-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iasa20>, <mailto:iasa20-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 19:48:22 -0000

On 17/03/2018 21:13, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 03:15:40PM +1300, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> 
>> So the post-IASA2.0 version of RFC 2031 needs to preserve the
>> option of ISOC speaking for us when necessary.
> 
> I'd probably describe this differently but mean effectively the same
> thing; but I thought we were talking about (basically internal)
> adminstrative relationships and money flows, not principled technical
> stances.  Is there something that gives you to believe we were talking
> about affecting the interface between the IETF and the rest of the
> world?

Not explicitly. But just as there has been confusion in the past because
of the IETF being "an organized activity of ISOC", there could be confusion
in the future about the IETF being a separate organization. So we really
would have to produce an update to RFC 2031, not so much for ourselves
as for external observers. That's out of scope for the current draft, but
I think it's a necessary deliverable for the IASA 2.0 effort as a whole.

   Brian