Re: [icnrg] CCNx Drafts - next steps

[Alex Afanasyev <[e-mail]>]

> On Apr 6, 2015, at 10:02 AM, [e-mail] wrote:
> 
> Thank you - sorry for the mis-statement - I am new to IETF.  We took a sense of the room and people “hummed” that they were in favor of adopting the docs as an experimental platform (not exclusive):
> 
> Hums overwhelmingly agreed we should go forward with the adoption of the documents as an experimental option.
> 
> Laura

I want to make a few statements.

- People who attended IETF meeting in Dallas represent a small portion of those who are involved with ICN research research group.  Therefore, hums, as Dave pointed, represent only a sense of the room (which in my opinion was skewed), not the opinion of the research group.

- The conversation and humming was about packet format, not the platform.

- I disagree with adopting at this time (even non-exclusively) a packet format that represents an architecture that represents a subset of research efforts of the ICN research group.  I'm also against adopting multiple formats that are currently proposed, as I don't see the benefits for the ICNRG research efforts (e.g., to allow faithfully compare the results), as architectures behind the proposed formats have several major differences that directly impact applications.

Non-adoption does not prevent any experimentation with the technology and platform(s), rather it allows a more flexible way to evolve protocols, architectures, applications.  In my opinion, the latter (the applications) should be the primary focus of the research group.  Before adopting a format, there are so many question yet to be answered that no doubt would require certain features/changes from the packet:  how ICN and individual proposed architectures allow applications to be implemented in better ways?  What are new application patterns become available in ICN?  How ICN improves security aspect of applications (+not reduces security of the existing apps)?  How to enable seamingless infrastructure-full and infrastructure-less communication in ICN; etc.

—
Alex

>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 9:55 AM, David IMAP Mailstore <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
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>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
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>>> For those that missed the ICNRG meeting in Dallas, we voted to adopt the CCNx protocol drafts as ICNRG drafts.
>> No, we did not. We don't vote.
>> We took the sense of the room, which was to adopt the drafts as RG Drafts, as opposed to individual contributions.
>> 
>> Also, per IRTF procedures, no decisions are made definitively in meetings. They are taken by a poll on the mailing list, which has not yet occurred. I hope to get a message on this out to the list this week.
>> 
>> Also, I any of these messages, please be sure people are pointed to the IPR disclosure associated with them so peoe can assess what if any problems that poses.
>> 
>> Thanks (chair hat on)
>> DaveO
>> 
>>> Please make sure that you take the time and read through the current set of drafts so you can provide feedback.
>>> 
>>> CCNx Semantics: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mosko-icnrg-ccnxsemantics-01 <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mosko-icnrg-ccnxsemantics-01>
>>> This draft describes the semantics of the CCNx protocol independently of encoding.
>>> 
>>> CCNx Packet Format: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mosko-icnrg-ccnxmessages-01 <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mosko-icnrg-ccnxmessages-01>
>>> This draft  specifies a Type-Length-Value (TLV) packet format and the TLV type and value encodings for the CCNx network protocol as specified in th CCNx Semantics document.
>>> 
>>> For your reference, additional specifications have also been submitted:
>>> CCNx Labeled Content: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mosko-icnrg-ccnxlabeledcontent-00 <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mosko-icnrg-ccnxlabeledcontent-00>
>>> CCNx Content Object Chunking: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mosko-icnrg-ccnxchunking-00 <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mosko-icnrg-ccnxchunking-00>
>>> CCNx End-to-End Fragmentation: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mosko-icnrg-ccnxfragmentation-00 <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mosko-icnrg-ccnxfragmentation-00>
>>> CCNx Serial Versioning: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mosko-icnrg-ccnxserialversion-00 <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mosko-icnrg-ccnxserialversion-00>
>>> 
>>> We would like to get a new set of drafts out for the next ICNRG meeting, so keep this in mind if you want to send feedback or contribute. The cut-off date for drafts is 2015-07-06. We would like to have the updates ready at least a week before to schedule meeting time as needed.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks!
>>> 
>>> Laura
>>> ----
>>> Laura Hill
>>> Manager, Documentation and Information Architecture
>>> Palo Alto Research Center (PARC)
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