Re: [Idr] Lars Eggert's Discuss on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Wed, 24 March 2021 19:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Idr] Lars Eggert's Discuss on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Hi Lars,

> DISCUSS:
>
> I'm putting in a "discuss" DISCUSS that I expect to clear during the
> call. Several other ADs raised issues that deserve discussion. While they may
> not fall under the "discuss criteria", they also don't fall under the "discuss
> non-criteria" and I want to make sure we spent some time on discussing them.

That's perfectly reasonable. 

I wish there was a way for the IESG to table something for discussion without using the "Discuss a document" hook which makes the authors (and the watchers) feel that *they* should be part of the discussion. But, anyway, it seems that there is something here that the IESG needs to discuss, so "whatever works."

> COMMENT:
>
> Section 2.1, paragraph 4, comment:
>>    In all cases of review by the Designated Expert (DE) described here,
>>    the DE is expected to check the clarity of purpose and use of the
>>    requested code points.  The following points apply to the registries
>>    discussed in this document:
>
> The process outlined in the rest of this section seems to define rules that are
> basically equivalent to doing an RFC7120 "early allocation" for these
> registries. Why is that existing process not sufficient?

It achieves a similar end with some slight variations. I can't speak for the WG as to why they preferred this approach, but:
- 7120 requires a stable WG I-D. Thus:
   - an early WG I-D doesn't qualify
   - a non-WG I-D doesn't qualify
   - a non-IETF document doesn't qualify
- 7120 allocations have to be renewed
   - this is extra effort 
   - only one renewal is allowed unless the IESG is invoked "under rare circumstances"
   - the code point "expires" if someone forgets to renew

Cheers,
Adrian