Re: [Idr] [Can] Proposed CAN WG charter for discussion

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Hi Robert,

    I agree with the problem about : "So now to realize 10 services you must waste 10 min routable blocks. "

    However, I do not think it is unacceptable. Perhaps we will not have too many kinds of services for CAN in the initial phase. I mean that not every service needs CAN.

     In addition, the routing information needs not be spread into the whole global Internet because it is unnecessary. I do not think a service point far away will not be potentially optimal. Perhaps we can control the spread scope of the information by some means.

Best Regards
Zongpeng Du



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From: Robert Raszuk
Date: 2023-01-30 16:40
To: Joel Halpern
CC: Linda Dunbar; can; [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [Idr] [Can] Proposed CAN WG charter for discussion
Hi Joel,

I am not sure what is not obvious here for you (and Dirk) ? 

I think we all agree that the principle of operation of network centric CAN is based on anycast address per given compute service. 

Functionally you need /32 or /128. 

But the Internet rightfully is not going to carry anything more specific then /24 or /48 (maybe /64) respectively. 

So now to realize 10 services you must waste 10 min routable blocks. 

This also goes against hyperscalers injecting just /16 or /18 into the global Internet. 

So my comment in respect to applicability was not as much about dynamic load to the control plane introduced as it was just an observation on what subject solution requires vs current Internet operational rules. 

To summarize I do not think that bending or breaking those rules would be subject to analysis of this WG. 

Kind regards,
R.



On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 12:45 AM Joel Halpern <[e-mail]> wrote:
My inclination would be to leave the analysis of the public cloud applicability to the working group.  Whether it is or is not applicable is not obvious.
Yours,
Joel
On 1/29/2023 6:40 PM, Linda Dunbar wrote:
Robert, 
 
You said:
“Also note that while you could perhaps make option 1 work in your (say 5G) network for your service it does not sound like it would be applicable to access public clouds compute cluster based on the actual load in the same way over  the Internet.” 
 
I think that is a very good point. Making CAN applicable to access public clouds might not be wise. Maybe we should add this point to the CAN scope? 
 
My two cents, 
Linda