Re: [Ietf-languages] Proposal for multiple variant language subtags for Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanizations for Minnan (nan)

[Hugh Paterson III <[e-mail]>]

This is just to support Prof. Dürst's observation that if these books
propose different romanization schemes then these should be given different
tags. But if this observation is true, it is likely that these
different books are not the same schemes that are used for directly
creating texts today which was mentioned on a different thread on the same
topic.

Kind regards,
Hugh

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 10:22 PM Martin J. Dürst <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Hello Winston, others,
>
> The proposed variant tags seem to assign a variant tag for each book.
> Can you confirm that indeed each book uses a (even if only slightly)
> different romanization, and that there are use cases where it's
> necessary to distinguish these romanizations (e.g. because what means
> something in one romanization means something else in another
> romanization)?
>
> Regards,   Martin.
>
> On 2024-01-18 23:45, Winston Sung wrote:
> >   LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM
> >
> > 1. Name of requester: SUNG Chien-chang (Winston Sung / SUNG C. C. /
> >       Winston Chien-chang SUNG)
> > 2. E-mail address of requester: winston21.sung @ gmail.com
> > 3. Record Requested:
> >
> >     Type: variant
> >     Subtag: poj1832
> >     Description: Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanization in 1832
> >     Prefix: nan-Latn-pehoeji
> >     Comments: The subtag represents Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanization for Hokkien
> >       Minnan in 1832 as published in "Dictionary of the Hok-këèn
> >       Dialect of the Chinese Language, According to the Reading and
> >       Colloquial Idioms" by Medhurst (Macau 1832).
> >
> >     Type: variant
> >     Subtag: poj1853
> >     Description: Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanization in 1853
> >     Prefix: nan-Latn-pehoeji
> >     Comments: The subtag represents Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanization for Hokkien
> >       Minnan in 1853 as published in "Anglo Chinese Manual of the Amoy
> >       Dialect" by Doty (Guangzhou 1832).
> >
> >     Type: variant
> >     Subtag: poj1869
> >     Description: Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanization in 1869
> >     Prefix: nan-Latn-pehoeji
> >     Comments: The subtag represents Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanization for Hokkien
> >       Minnan in 1869 as published in "A Manual of the Amoy Colloquial"
> >       by MacGowan (Hong Kong 1869).
> >
> >     Type: variant
> >     Subtag: poj1873
> >     Description: Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanization in 1873
> >     Prefix: nan-Latn-pehoeji
> >     Comments: The subtag represents Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanization for Hokkien
> >       Minnan in 1873 as published in "Chinese–English Dictionary of the
> >       Vernacular or Spoken Language of Amoy" by Douglas (London 1873).
> >
> >     Type: variant
> >     Subtag: poj1894
> >     Description: Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanization in 1894
> >     Prefix: nan-Latn-pehoeji
> >     Comments: The subtag represents Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanization for Hokkien
> >       Minnan in 1894 as published in "New Dictionary in the Amoy
> >       Dialect" by Van Nest Talmage (1894).
> >
> >     Type: variant
> >     Subtag: poj1911
> >     Description: Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanization in 1911
> >     Prefix: nan-Latn-pehoeji
> >     Comments: The subtag represents Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanization for Hokkien
> >       Minnan in 1911 as published in "Lessons in the Amoy Vernacular"
> >       by Warnshuis and de Pree (Xiamen 1911).
> >
> >     Type: variant
> >     Subtag: poj1913
> >     Description: Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanization in 1913
> >     Prefix: nan-Latn-pehoeji
> >     Comments: The subtag represents Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanization for Hokkien
> >       Minnan in 1913 as published in "A Dictionary of the Amoy
> >       Vernacular spoken throughout the prefectures of Chin-chiu,
> >       Chiang-chiu and Formosa" by Campbell (Tainan 1913).
> >
> >     Type: variant
> >     Subtag: poj1923
> >     Description: Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanization in 1923
> >     Prefix: nan-Latn-pehoeji
> >     Comments: The subtag represents Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanization for Hokkien
> >       Minnan in 1923 as published in "Supplement to Dictionary of the
> >       vernacular or spoken language of Amoy" by Barclay (Shanghai
> >       1923).
> >
> >     Type: variant
> >     Subtag: poj1934
> >     Description: Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanization in 1934
> >     Prefix: nan-Latn-pehoeji
> >     Comments: The subtag represents Pe̍h-ōe-jī romanization for Hokkien
> >       Minnan in 1934 as published in "A Pocket Dictionary of the Amoy
> >       Vernacular: English-Chinese" by Tipson (Singapore 1934).
> >
> > 4. Intended meaning of the subtag:
> >
> >     The variety of Hokkien Minnan language written forms.
> >
> > 5. Reference to published description of the language (book or
> >     article):
> >
> >     -- Medhurst, Walter Henry (1832) - Dictionary of the Hok-këèn
> >        Dialect of the Chinese Language, According to the Reading and
> >        Colloquial Idioms - Macau: East India Press -
> >        hdl:2027/uc2.ark:/13960/t7pn9319x - OCLC 5314739.
> >
> >     -- Doty, Elihu (1853) - Anglo Chinese Manual of the Amoy Dialect -
> >        Guangzhou: Samuel Wells Williams - OCLC 20605114.
> >
> >     -- MacGowan, John (1869) - A Manual of the Amoy Colloquial - Hong
> >        Kong: de Souza & Co. - OCLC 23927767.
> >
> >     -- Douglas, Carstairs (1873) - Chinese–English Dictionary of the
> >        Vernacular or Spoken Language of Amoy (1st edition) - London:
> >        Trübner - hdl:2027/mdp.39015083430507 - OCLC 4820970 - OL
> >        24969218M.
> >
> >     -- Van Nest Talmage, John (1894) - New Dictionary in the Amoy
> >        Dialect - OCLC 41548900.
> >
> >     -- Warnshuis, A. Livingston; de Pree, H.P. (1911) - Lessons in the
> >        Amoy Vernacular - Xiamen: Chui-keng-tông Press - OCLC 29903392.
> >
> >     -- Campbell, William (1913) - A Dictionary of the Amoy Vernacular
> >        spoken throughout the prefectures of Chin-chiu, Chiang-chiu and
> >        Formosa - Tainan: Taiwan Church Press - OCLC 867068660.
> >
> >     -- Barclay, Thomas (1923) - Supplement to Dictionary of the
> >        vernacular or spoken language of Amoy - Shanghai: The
> >        Commercial press, limited - hdl:2027/mdp.39015051950106.
> >
> >     -- Tipson, Ernest (1934) - A Pocket Dictionary of the Amoy
> >        Vernacular: English-Chinese - Singapore: Lithographers - OCLC
> >        504142973.
> >
> >
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> College of Science and Engineering
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