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Re: Subtag registration: Russian transliteration of Chinese

Yury Tarasievich <yury.tarasievich@gmail.com> Wed, 14 October 2015 10:38 UTC

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Subject: Re: Subtag registration: Russian transliteration of Chinese
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As there are no letters in Chinese, we should 
speak about transcription, anyway, really. Now, 
transcription is by definition a transition 
between different (writing) systems. How can it 
be marked as "belonging still to the original 
language", beats me.

-Yury

On 10/13/2015 07:47 PM, Doug Ewell wrote:
> Yegor Grebnev wrote:
>
>> Sorry, it seems that I have misunderstood Doug's original
>> recommendation. Yes, "Chinese transcribed as Russian" seems to be an
>> appropriate option. Thank you!
>
> So it sounds like Yegor does expect the transformed content to continue
> to be identified primarily as Chinese, not as Russian, where "ru-t-zh"
> or "ru-anything" might imply the latter.
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