Re: [ietf-smtp] Proper definition of the term "email payload".

Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan <giri@dombox.org> Sun, 31 March 2019 18:32 UTC

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From: Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan <giri@dombox.org>
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 00:02:17 +0530
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Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] Proper definition of the term "email payload".
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Ok, thanks for the clarification.

On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 12:00 AM Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
wrote:

> On 3/31/19 2:25 PM, Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan wrote:
>
> > Thanks Mr. Moore for the input.
> >
> > The well known Python software already using that term. I don't want
> > others like me to follow the wrong terminology.
> >
> > If I'm wrong that's fine. But If I'm right, we should find a way to
> > define the term properly. e.g. Editing that wikipedia article.
> >
> > Thanks
>
> Somebody can edit the Wikipedia article if they want.   But we in IETF
> don't have the power to make everyone use terms consistently.  It's hard
> enough to get people to read our protocol specifications and implement
> them correctly.
>
> Ketih
>
> p.s. I still remember being part of a crowd insisting that the term
> "hacker" referred only to a particular style of working and implied no
> malice at all.  But the media insisted on using the term "hacker" to
> mean "someone who tries to break into someone else's computers" and they
> effectively changed the meaning of the term.
>
>
>