Re: [ietf-smtp] Proper definition of the term "email payload".

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Sun, 31 March 2019 18:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] Proper definition of the term "email payload".
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On 3/31/19 2:25 PM, Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan wrote:

> Thanks Mr. Moore for the input.
>
> The well known Python software already using that term. I don't want 
> others like me to follow the wrong terminology.
>
> If I'm wrong that's fine. But If I'm right, we should find a way to 
> define the term properly. e.g. Editing that wikipedia article.
>
> Thanks

Somebody can edit the Wikipedia article if they want.   But we in IETF 
don't have the power to make everyone use terms consistently.  It's hard 
enough to get people to read our protocol specifications and implement 
them correctly.

Ketih

p.s. I still remember being part of a crowd insisting that the term 
"hacker" referred only to a particular style of working and implied no 
malice at all.  But the media insisted on using the term "hacker" to 
mean "someone who tries to break into someone else's computers" and they 
effectively changed the meaning of the term.