Re: Comments on draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions-00.txt
"JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" <jefsey@jefsey.com> Thu, 13 July 2006 23:16 UTC
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Subject: Re: Comments on draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions-00.txt
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At 21:25 13/07/2006, Eliot Lear wrote: >And I think we're at the point where I'm violating my own rule. There >is no concrete proposal here that I can argue in favor of or oppose, so >I think I'd better shut up and wait for one. Dear Eliot, IMHO the ambiguity is in the IETF mission. This is why I oppose RFC 3935 and the sentences I recently quoted about "influence" and a technology not being neutral to IETF values. The IETF should publish recipes. Not to want to provide guidance. Guidance should belong to groups committing to deliver comprehensive, consistant, and maintained network systems, with source code, updates, docs, faqs, support, etc. They should be the IETF deliverable users. Legitimately looking for user QA, and their needs to be considered. Idealy Internet users should be provided every month a CD with the current release of their favorite netix brand. Like Red Hat, Debbian, etc. Let imagine the Linux situation if no distribution existed. The IETF is NOT "to influence people in the way they design, use and manage the Internet for it to work better" (cf. RFC 3935). It is to help development teams to better design solutions addressing the end users needs. The only way to see an Internet architectural evolution is in having user internetwork operating systems, using the different IETF, IEEE, MPEG, ITU, ETSI, etc. propositions and the common bandwidth convergence in an innovative way. The danger in not preparing, supporting, and even opposing (as for the Multilingual Internet) such a necessary/observed evolution, is that these systems will cicumvent the IETF and will not benefit from its community/experience, and worse, to delay them. jfc _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- Comments on draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions-00.t… Randall Gellens
- Re: Comments on draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions-… Fred Baker
- Re: Comments on draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions-… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: Comments on draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions-… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Comments on draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions-… Eliot Lear
- Re: Comments on draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions-… Pekka Savola
- Re: Comments on draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions-… Eliot Lear
- Re: Comments on draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions-… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: Comments on draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions-… Tony Hansen
- Re: Comments on draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions-… Eliot Lear
- Re: Comments on draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions-… Douglas Otis
- Re: Comments on draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions-… JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- RE: Comments on draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions-… David Harrington