Re: Comments on draft-carpenter-newtrk-questions-00.txt

On Jul 13, 2006, at 3:25 PM, Eliot Lear wrote:

> We are in this position because we are not today documenting  
> existing practice, having not properly understood the lack of  
> desire to do what you class as "minor amount of work".

The SRD approach generates Name.Serial references to sets of  
documents after expending a "minor amount of work."  This minor  
effort reduces other efforts expected of the RFC editor, IESG, IETF  
WGs, and of those attempting to compile useful references.  When  
other standard bodies want to coordinate IETF changing references,  
Name.Serial makes predicting future references simple.  These stable  
and recognizable references should assist someone wanting to specify  
a level of compliance by picking the Serial number.  These references  
will likely be viewed as either Current or Stable by the community,  
rather than less meaningful Draft-Standard, Proposed-Standard, etc.   
When joined together in sets, the status of individual RFCs become  
far less relevant.  Once Serial.Name is instantiated, outmoded  
unsupported designators could be themselves made historic. : )

> If the work truly is minor, then again I have no problem with this  
> approach, as it's actually a two step approach that hides behind  
> the word Historic.  But let us not get ourselves into a position  
> where we're marking widely used specs Historic left and right  
> simply because we couldn't get someone to jump through hoops.
>
> And I think we're at the point where I'm violating my own rule.   
> There is no concrete proposal here that I can argue in favor of or  
> oppose, so I think I'd better shut up and wait for one.

I think there was general consensus for going forward with the SRD  
draft in Paris.  It is hard to understand who's oxen was being gored,  
and why the newtrk group failed to move forward, but the view that  
this represents additional effort is greatly mistaken.  When seen in  
the larger picture, this approach represents a significant reduction  
in efforts expended by all involved.

-Doug

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