Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream Submissions) to BCP
SM <sm@resistor.net> Sat, 08 November 2008 14:28 UTC
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Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream Submissions) to BCP
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At 07:02 21-10-2008, The IESG wrote: >The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider >the following document: > >- 'IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream > Submissions ' > <draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis-04.txt> as a BCP > >The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits >final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the I'm commenting on draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis-05 as that's the latest version at the moment. In Section 1: "These RFCs, and any other Informational or Experimental standards-related documents, are reviewed by appropriate IETF bodies and published as part of the IETF Stream." I read that as Informational and Experimental are also standards-related. This is at odds with statements such as "This memo does not specify an Internet standard of any kind." which is usually seen in Informational and Experimental documents. Although most people know what WG is, it doesn't hurt to have the following for clarity: This review was often a full-scale review of technical content, with the Area Director (ADs) attempting to clear points with the authors, stimulate revisions of the documents, encourage the authors to contact appropriate working groups (WG) and so on. In Section 3: "3. The IESG finds that publication is harmful to the IETF work done in WG <X> and recommends not publishing the document at this time." I don't think that harmful is appropriate here. I gather that the aim is to prevent circumvention of the IETF process and conflicts with work being carried out by the Working Group. It could be phrased as: The IESG finds that this work is related to IETF work done in WG <X> and recommends not publishing the document at this time. "5. The IESG finds that this document extends an IETF protocol in a way that requires IETF review and should therefore not be published without IETF review and IESG approval." I read that as "we cannot publish this document as it requires IETF review and IESG approval". It may be easier for all parties to ask for an IETF review instead of rejecting publication outright. "The IESG assumes that the RFC Editor, in agreement with the IAB, will manage mechanisms for appropriate technical review of independent submissions. Likewise, the IESG also assumes that the IRSG, in agreement with the IAB, will manage mechanisms for appropriate technical review of IRTF submissions." I don't see why there has to be assumptions here. I suggest dropping the "assumes" and clearly spell out who is going to manage what. Regards, -sm _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… SM
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Jari Arkko
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Jari Arkko
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… SM
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… SM
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… SM
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Jari Arkko
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Jari Arkko
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Jari Arkko
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Jari Arkko
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Jari Arkko
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Cullen Jennings
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Dave CROCKER
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Adrian Farrel
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Dave CROCKER
- draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optional/ma… Jari Arkko
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Brian Rosen
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Adam Roach
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Stephen Farrell
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Dave CROCKER
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Brian Rosen
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Bob Braden
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Bob Braden
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Ben Campbell
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Adam Roach
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Adam Roach
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Dave CROCKER
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Jari Arkko
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Adam Roach
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… SM
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Stephen Kent
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Ben Campbell
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Ben Campbell
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Ben Campbell
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Lars Eggert
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Lars Eggert
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Jari Arkko
- RE: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Pasi.Eronen
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Robert Elz
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Jari Arkko
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Robert Elz
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and theoptional… Tom.Petch
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Sam Hartman
- RE: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Sam Hartman
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Bob Braden
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Russ Housley
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Dave CROCKER
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Richard Barnes
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Joel M. Halpern
- RE: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Pasi.Eronen
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Jari Arkko
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Dave CROCKER
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… SM
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Jari Arkko
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Dave CROCKER
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Donald Eastlake
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Michael StJohns
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Doug Ewell
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Sam Hartman
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Polk, William T.
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Polk, William T.
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Sam Hartman
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Robert Elz
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Sam Hartman
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Donald Eastlake
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Robert Elz
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Dave CROCKER
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Stephan Wenger
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Dave CROCKER
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Stephan Wenger
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Dave CROCKER
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Andrew Sullivan
- RE: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Lawrence Rosen
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Polk, William T.
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Polk, William T.
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Joe Touch