Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream Submissions) to BCP
Dave CROCKER <dhc2@dcrocker.net> Fri, 28 August 2009 02:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream Submissions) to BCP
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>>>> I am under >>> the understanding the the IESG Note in RFC is provided by the IESG not >>> by the RFC Editor. Is there a document that says otherwise? (I'm >>> certainly open to the possibility that perhaps these documents should >>> not have an IESG note but that seems a different issue) >> My understanding of this text is that the IESG can recommend text, >> including an IESG Note. The RFC Editor can accept it or not. ... > > I'm pretty sure, though, that there has been pushback and negotiation > on quite a few occasions. It's important that the RFC Editor keeps > this power, in the general interest of checks and balances. +1. One can debate various details and costs about the RFC Editor function. But it really is quite useful to have the editor exert an independent review of IESG efforts to modify an RFC. Not because the IESG is suspect, but because it is deeply involved in the topics it comments on and that could cause misguided decisions. By contrast, the RFC Editor can consider suggested IESG notes with detachment. My impression, too, is that this has produced revised IESG text. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… SM
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Jari Arkko
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Jari Arkko
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… SM
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… SM
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… SM
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Jari Arkko
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Jari Arkko
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Jari Arkko
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Jari Arkko
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Jari Arkko
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Cullen Jennings
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Dave CROCKER
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Adrian Farrel
- Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IES… Dave CROCKER
- draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optional/ma… Jari Arkko
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Brian Rosen
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Adam Roach
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Stephen Farrell
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Dave CROCKER
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Brian Rosen
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Bob Braden
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Bob Braden
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Ben Campbell
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Adam Roach
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Adam Roach
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Dave CROCKER
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Jari Arkko
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Adam Roach
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… SM
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Stephen Kent
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Ben Campbell
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Ben Campbell
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Ben Campbell
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Lars Eggert
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Lars Eggert
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Jari Arkko
- RE: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Pasi.Eronen
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Robert Elz
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Jari Arkko
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Robert Elz
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and theoptional… Tom.Petch
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Sam Hartman
- RE: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Sam Hartman
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Bob Braden
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Russ Housley
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Dave CROCKER
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Richard Barnes
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Joel M. Halpern
- RE: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Pasi.Eronen
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Jari Arkko
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Dave CROCKER
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… SM
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Jari Arkko
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Dave CROCKER
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Donald Eastlake
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Michael StJohns
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Doug Ewell
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Sam Hartman
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Polk, William T.
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Polk, William T.
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Sam Hartman
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Robert Elz
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Sam Hartman
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Donald Eastlake
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Robert Elz
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Dave CROCKER
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Stephan Wenger
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Dave CROCKER
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Stephan Wenger
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Dave CROCKER
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Andrew Sullivan
- RE: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Lawrence Rosen
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… John C Klensin
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Polk, William T.
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Polk, William T.
- Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optiona… Joe Touch