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Theodore V Faber <theodore.v.faber@aero.org> Tue, 25 September 2018 23:24 UTC

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From: Theodore V Faber <theodore.v.faber@aero.org>
To: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>, Aaron Falk <aafalk@akamai.com>
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The section on Hubris seems to address humility.

There's no such thing as a one-sided coin.

--
Ted Faber <theodore.v.faber@aero.org>
Senior Engineering Specialist
Computer Systems Research Department
The Aerospace Corporation
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From: ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 15:08
To: Aaron Falk
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Subject: Re: General non-confidential input to NomCom

yes, this is good stuff.  Can we add humility to the list?  There is no
opinion which should be criticised more harshly than ones own.

Nick

Aaron Falk wrote on 25/09/2018 22:47:
> Love this. Thanks for writing it. --aaron
>
> On 25 Sep 2018, at 17:08, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>
>     Intentionally, I'm offering this input in public (hence I will forward
>     this to the IETF mailing list). Since there are quite a few points,
>     I've posted my input as an I-D:
>     https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-carpenter-community-leaders
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-community-leaders/
>

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