Re: Diversity considerations
"John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Tue, 02 October 2018 17:45 UTC
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Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 13:45:28 -0400
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From: John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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> ISTM that it’s always English speakers who are concerned about people who speak languages not written in Latin characters. > > Thanks you for your concern, but I don’t think that forking technical discussions and coming up with drafts that most of the community will not be able to read is solving any problem. I don't want and I'm pretty sure Lloyd doesn want anyone to write I-Ds in Hebrew or Tamil, I want people who can say informed things about IDN and other i18n proposals that involve strings written in their languages. R's, John >> On 2 Oct 2018, at 3:11, Lloyd Wood <lloyd.wood=40yahoo.co.uk@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: >> >> "Actually, I'm more interested in diversity of sconomic backgrounds, in >> particular, countries that aren't in the G20, and that speak languages >> not written in latin characters, because people's use of and >> experience of the Internet are quite different." >> >> >> This is why I wrote >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wood-discussion-beyond-english/ >> >> >> Lloyd Wood lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk http://about.me/lloydwood >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >>> From: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> >>> To: ietf@ietf.org >>> Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 8:28 >>> Subject: Re: Diversity considerations >>> >>> >>> >>> In article <b03e8de5-0fe1-bd27-7120-ffa129419bb6@lounge.org> you write: >>> >>>> We want to promote all kinds of diversity here: race, gender, >>>> sexual orientation, AND ethnicity. >>> >>> Actually, I'm more interested in diversity of sconomic backgrounds, in >>> particular, countries that aren't in the G20, and that speak languages >>> not written in latin characters, because people's use of and >>> experience of the Internet are quite different. >>> >>> For example, in India there are tiny little data packages that give >>> you a megabyte of data on your phone for a few days. I expect people >>> who use those packages use their phones differently from people with >>> gigabytes per month.
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- Diversity considerations (was: Re: General non-co… John C Klensin
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