Re: IETF mail server and SSLv3

Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Tue, 26 January 2016 22:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF mail server and SSLv3
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote:
> Tom, Phillip,
>
> Impressive? Not much. If anything, I feel a bit
> embarrassed that we are updating our servers
> only now :-)
>
> This really was just an IETF service announcement.
> The tools team felt that if we are making changes
> we should announce them rather than surprise
> anybody. We plan to announce similar other things
> as well, when there are changes. And I certainly
> believe this particular change was a technically
> reasonable thing to do.
>
> We do of course have other things to discuss —
> how much the IETF is doing for improving email
> security in the Internet, and what can be done to
> it to begin with. But that is a broader topic that
> IMO, doesn’t have much to do with what specific
> arrangements we have for our own e-mail
> server (and at a particular layer of that server,
> even).  Phillip’s questions are very rasonable
> in that broader topic, however.
>
> Jari
>

I was taking the object of the exercise being of the dog food eating variety.

In the past, I have noticed that people seem to miss the fact that the
point of eating the dog food is to encourage people to make it better,
not to get used to the taste.