Re: complex extensions attacking IETF protocols

Karl Denninger <karl@Denninger.Net> Tue, 03 November 1998 14:30 UTC

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 08:19:39 -0600
From: Karl Denninger <karl@Denninger.Net>
To: Bob Stewart <bstewart@cisco.com>, Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp>
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Subject: Re: complex extensions attacking IETF protocols
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In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981103085356.00955ba0@zipper.cisco.com>; from Bob Stewart on Tue, Nov 03, 1998 at 09:02:54AM -0500
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On Tue, Nov 03, 1998 at 09:02:54AM -0500, Bob Stewart wrote:
> At 10:15 PM 11/3/98 +0900, Masataka Ohta wrote:
> >> The gist of the IETF-related observation is that if complex or confusing
> >> extensions are added to simple protocol standards and used by commercial
> >> clients it can "de-commodotize" those simple protocols by making it very
> >> hard to implement a server which fully interoperates with client features. 
> >> This could give a large commercial organization a competitive advantage.
> >
> >You are absulutely right, here. WGs chaired by Cisco and/or IBM people
> >should give good examples. BTW, I think you know who is chairing
> >IESG/IETF.
> 
> As one who has worked hard for good engineering and simplicity for the
> benefit of the community no matter who my employer, I take this personally.
> 
> This accusation borders on libel if it has not stepped completely into that
> realm.  Masataka Ohta, you should either retract it or make a formal,
> documented complaint to the IAB, detailing specific misbehavior by every
> Cisco or IBM employee who is serving or has served the IETF.
> 
> Your unwarranted, unthinking broad brush has earned you a place in my email
> filters taking your messages straight to the trash where they belong.
> 
> People who make such unfounded accusations don't deserve a place even in
> the most open of discussions.
> 
> 	Bob

Someone (you, Bob) hasn't been around this industry very long.

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