Re: Please welcome the facilitators at ietf@ietf.org
Dave Crocker <dcrocker@gmail.com> Thu, 10 November 2016 19:20 UTC
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On 11/10/2016 7:53 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > I would say that the notion of a truly opinion-neutral facilitator will > not work in most cases, especially during a debate on a divisive topic. So... For a facilitator to work, there are a number of conditions that need to be met: * There has to be a clear understanding of the role of a facilitator. I think Brian's phrase "opinion-neutral" gets at one of the core requirements. There are others about how that neutrality is applied and when. Facilitation is a profession, with lots of associated documents and training. But starting with a simple, factual "opinion-neutral" seems like a good foundation to me. * There needs to be an institutional commitment to the exercise of that role. That's more than just naming some folk. The relatively easy part is that it means ensuring that facilitators have the skillset and it means training others to appreciate that skillset. But 'training' is not enough, but there also needs to be the application of leverage over those who contribute in a fashion that works against the facilitation. Unfortunately, the IETF has a deep and persistent unwillingness to apply such pressures. So folk who misbehave persistently do not, themselves, get trained to change their behavior. (Folk are likely to disagree with this assessment, especially because of various, recent documents and discussion --as well as the very rare interventions along the lines of "folk, we can do better" spread amongst multiple contributors privately or an entire list publicly, although such interventions have no training effect, long term -- but the fact that people continue to feel permission to attack others, on a regular basis, serves as a visible counter.) * The role needs to be exercised extremely actively. And this is, indeed, an enormous amount of work. Worse, the nature of email and the fact of 7/24 traffic on IETF list email, make the need for immediate and continuing facilitation especially daunting. And the fact that the trigger for that need can happen at any time, even more so. One possible aid might be to get other participants to solicit facilitation as soon as they see the need. This means we all have to have a sense of the conditions that warrant making the request. and so on... d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
- Please welcome the facilitators at ietf@ietf.org IETF Chair
- Re: Please welcome the facilitators at ietf@ietf.… S Moonesamy
- Re: Please welcome the facilitators at ietf@ietf.… Melinda Shore
- Re: Please welcome the facilitators at ietf@ietf.… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Please welcome the facilitators at ietf@ietf.… Melinda Shore
- Re: Please welcome the facilitators at ietf@ietf.… S Moonesamy
- Re: Please welcome the facilitators at ietf@ietf.… George Michaelson
- Re: Please welcome the facilitators at ietf@ietf.… John C Klensin
- Re: Please welcome the facilitators at ietf@ietf.… S Moonesamy
- Re: Please welcome the facilitators at ietf@ietf.… John C Klensin
- Re: Please welcome the facilitators at ietf@ietf.… Dave Crocker
- Re: Please welcome the facilitators at ietf@ietf.… S Moonesamy
- Re: Please welcome the facilitators at ietf@ietf.… Stephen Farrell
- RE: Please welcome the facilitators at ietf@ietf.… Christian Huitema
- Re: Please welcome the facilitators at ietf@ietf.… S Moonesamy