Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications and Infrastucture Area
Dave Crocker <dhc2@dcrocker.net> Wed, 21 September 2005 02:46 UTC
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Subject: Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications and Infrastucture Area
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> Forming a new area comes at a cost for the IETF, while there are also > potential benefits. I believe it is very important for the community > to consider and understand the costs versus the benefits for the > creation of a new area. David, The main problem with your note is that the IETF community has shown a consistent lack of desire to pay serious attention to cost/benefit discussions. You list issues with doing X and the response you get is "I like the idea of doing X" or "I don't like the idea of doing X". No meaningful consideration of the tradeoffs. An individual here, or there, might try to respond with some thoughtfulness, but we don't seem to have the attention span needed to pursue it. The common thread to all of your points is that the community has limited resources. Given that packet-switching is predicated on careful attention to the sharing of scarce resources, it really is quite impressive how little respect -- nevermind consideration -- is given towards it in making IETF management and operations decisions. If we applied much more strict quality, relevance and timeliness measures to the existing IETF load, we would probably get rid of 1/3 to 1/2 of our current activities. And possibly more. At that point, we would not need to ask whether to add a new area, because the existing structure would be sufficient for giving the additional attention that real-time issues very much warrant. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking +1.408.246.8253 dcrocker a t ... WE'VE MOVED to: www.bbiw.net _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- RE: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… Yaakov Stein
- Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications and In… David Kessens
- Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… Lakshminath Dondeti
- Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… John C Klensin
- Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… Dave Crocker
- Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… Scott Bradner
- Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… David Kessens
- Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… David Kessens
- RE: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… Yaakov Stein
- Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… Melinda Shore
- Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… Thomas Narten
- Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… James M. Polk
- Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… David Kessens
- Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… Margaret Wasserman
- Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… C Wegrzyn
- Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… Melinda Shore
- Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- RE: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… Nicholas Staff
- Adding parallelism? (was Re: Cost vs. Benefit of … Pekka Nikander
- RE: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… Yaakov Stein
- Re: Adding parallelism? (was Re: Cost vs. Benefit… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… Margaret Wasserman
- Re: Cost vs. Benefit of Real-Time Applications an… Jari Arkko
- Re: Adding parallelism? (was Re: Cost vs. Benefit… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Adding parallelism? (was Re: Cost vs. Benefit… Sam Hartman
- Re: Adding parallelism? (was Re: Cost vs. Benefit… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adding parallelism? (was Re: Cost vs. Benefit… Pekka Nikander
- Re: Adding parallelism? (was Re: Cost vs. Benefit… Brian E Carpenter