Re: Some thoughts about draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-02.txt

[Bob Hinden <[e-mail]>]

On Aug 21, 2012, at 3:10 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote:

>     This document also excludes certain individuals who are directly
>     paid for their work with the IETF...
>   I think you can leave it at that.

While on this topic, we might as well get it right.  The text in the draft is:

   This document also excludes certain individuals who are directly paid
   for their work with the IETF, and who, therefore, have a direct
   personal financial incentive in the selection of the leadership
   boards.  We limit this exclusion to a few people who are paid for
   long-term full-time work.  In practice, they are unlikely to
   volunteer for the NomCom anyway, so this addition makes little
   practical change.

I assume the intent is exclude people who are paid by the IETF to do work in the IETF.  For example, the IAD.  The problem is that no one is paid by the IETF.  The IETF has several people who do work at it's direction.  This is done as direct employees of ISOC or as contractors who have their contracts with ISOC.  We also hire (via ISOC) companies that provide services to the IETF.  This ranges from the secretariat services, NOC services, tools development, program management services, and tools specification development.  In these cases it difficult to tell if an individual is working for the IETF "long-term full-time work".  

Further, the text as written could be interpreted to exclude people who's employers pay they to participate in the IETF.  For example, that would include me because it is part of my job to participate in the IETF.  I don't think that is the intent of the text in the draft, but it would be easy to interpret it that way.  OK, maybe I don't do it full time, but all of the IESG position require full time support.  

If this text is to remain, it needs to be clearer as to what it means.  

Bob


Bob