Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison manager
Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> Thu, 01 May 2014 03:22 UTC
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On 4/30/2014 7:36 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 4/30/14 3:48 PM, Joe Touch wrote: >> (that doesn't preclude the benefit of a liason to a language-standards >> group, but we shouldn't be seeing IETF proposals for such instances IMO). > > Probably not, but it seems pretty clear that deployment > of some IETF protocols has suffered from either the lack > of a comprehensive API, or crappy API. +1 However, somewhere along the line, AFAICT the IETF started thinking of protocol APIs as language implementations, and decided (rightly) that the latter was out of scope, and threw the baby out with the bathwater. IMO, a protocol is *incomplete* without its protocol API. > I'm thinking of > IPSec, newer DNS features, etc. I think it's very much > in the interest of the IETF to have someone around who > can talk to some of the language standards bodies about > how to expose protocol features, how to deal with options, > etc. It is, if you can find someone who knows both and can attend both ;-) Joe
- Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison manager IAB Chair
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Joe Touch
- RE: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Chaitanya Dhareshwar
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Melinda Shore
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Hector Santos
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… David Morris
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Joe Touch
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Thomas Nadeau
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… John C Klensin
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Joe Touch
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Thomas Nadeau
- RE: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- RE: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Joe Touch
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Joe Touch
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Thomas Nadeau
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Joe Touch
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Thomas Nadeau
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Joe Touch
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Ted Lemon
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Ted Lemon
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Dave Cridland
- RE: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison man… Doug Royer