Re: [IETF] DMARC methods in mailman
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Tue, 27 December 2016 15:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: [IETF] DMARC methods in mailman
To: Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>, 'John Levine' <johnl@taugh.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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From: Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net>
Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking
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Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 07:13:30 -0800
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On 12/26/2016 6:03 PM, Christian Huitema wrote: > But your mail and many comments on this lists point to the huge responsibility of the MUA with respect to phishing. Phishing is about duping the user by displaying misleading information. The effective defenses have to rely on proper user interface design, Unfortunately, this is mostly /not/ true. The actual experience, both in field work and usability research, is that UI design does not affect user processing of phishing very much. Neither design nor user training have much effect. Hence most effective phishing protection is in the filtering engine(s) below the UI. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
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- Re: [IETF] DMARC methods in mailman Viktor Dukhovni
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