Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only Wi-Fi for IETF Meetings
Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Sat, 29 July 2017 17:55 UTC
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Subject: Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only Wi-Fi for IETF Meetings
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> The point is that we claim that we have produced something that will
> Just Work for the average user. If you really think you can't "get
> work done" on an IPv6-only network with working and functional
> transition tech, we have a problem.
bingo! you are right. we have a problem. nat64/dns64 breaks things
people use. this is known, documented, and extremely annoying this many
years out [0].
the question is how to progress fixing nat64/dns64, given that a lot of
folk come to ietf meetings to simply get work done and not debug a semi-
working transport. how about a bug bounty? and maybe a fix bounty a
few times larger!
randy
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0 - for just how many years, see my plenary rant against 4966 a few
chicagos back. it is my $dayjob's customers, the enterprises, who
are the main target of nat64/dns64, and i am not happy that they can
not deploy it safely.
- RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only W… Brzozowski, John
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Bill Fenner
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Eric Rescorla
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Paul Hoffman
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Paul Hoffman
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Dorian Kim
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Stephen Farrell
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Stephen Farrell
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… heasley
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Randy Bush
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Patrik Fältström
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Randy Bush
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Eric Rescorla
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Leif Johansson
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Paul Hoffman
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Paul Hoffman
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Stephen Farrell
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Leif Johansson
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Richard Barnes
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Christian Huitema
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Randy Bush
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Tim Chown
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Eric Rescorla
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Stephen Farrell
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Randy Bush
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Randy Bush
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Randy Bush
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Tim Chown
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Randy Bush
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Randy Bush
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Tim Chown
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Leddy, John
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Lee Howard
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Randy Bush
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Bill Fenner
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Christian Huitema
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… heasley
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… joel jaeggli
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… John Levine
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… John Levine
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Randy Bush
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Michael Richardson
- RE: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Eric Gray
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Tim Chown
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Adam Roach
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Bill Fenner
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Paul Hoffman
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Bill Fenner
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Randy Bush
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Alia Atlas
- RE: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Mark Andrews
- RE: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Nick Hilliard
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Philip Homburg
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Mark Andrews
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… John Levine
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Tim Chown
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Mark Andrews
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Mark Andrews
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Ted Lemon
- RE: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… mohamed.boucadair
- Incremental Deployment of CLAT on the router for … Philip Homburg
- Re: Incremental Deployment of CLAT on the router … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Incremental Deployment of CLAT on the router … Christian Huitema
- Re: Incremental Deployment of CLAT on the router … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Incremental Deployment of CLAT on the router … Christian Huitema
- Re: Incremental Deployment of CLAT on the router … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Incremental Deployment of CLAT on the router … Christian Huitema
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Michael Breuer
- Re: Incremental Deployment of CLAT on the router … Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Incremental Deployment of CLAT on the router … mohamed.boucadair
- Re: Incremental Deployment of CLAT on the router … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… John Curran
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Lee Howard
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Jen Linkova
- Re: RESENDING - Incremental Deployment of IPv6-on… Randy Bush