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Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Wed, 10 April 2024 17:31 UTC

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On 4/9/24 14:14, John Scudder wrote:

> But document hosting arrangements are subordinate to the main point in
> any case. I was referring to the perverse incentive to keep the
> specification development outside the IETF process. IMO, we want to be a
>   place where people want to bring their ideas for development. I laid
> out reasons why the suggested draconian enforcement of the I-D
> boilerplate could lead to people avoiding us instead. If that’s not a
> perverse incentive, I don’t know what is.

The odd thing is that the I-D submission process was originally intended 
to be very low overhead, before XML and the lawyers and even the tools 
got in the way.

Keith

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