Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime
S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Mon, 25 March 2024 19:51 UTC
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 12:50:46 -0700
To: Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com>, ietf@ietf.org
From: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>
Subject: Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime
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Hi Mike, At 11:49 AM 25-03-2024, Michael StJohns wrote: >Context for the IETF list. A set of IANA notes were included in >RFC8447 that allowed IDs to be considered as satisfying >"Specification Required" for the purpose of issuing code points in >IANA registries. The IANA requires stable references for a >Specification Required. However, to quote from the ID >boilerplate, "It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as >reference material or to cite them other than as "work in progress." > >These two seem to be in conflict. The "Specification Required" policy is defined in "Guidelines for Writing an IANA Considerations Section in RFCs" (BCP 26) as a formal public specification. The BCP also contains some information about the intent behind the policy. I'll quote some text from the BCP as it may easier for the occassional reader: "Publication of an RFC is an ideal means of achieving this requirement, but Specification Required is intended to also cover the case of a document published outside of the RFC path, including informal documentation." There is also another policy which states "RFC Required" which is a bar higher in comparison with "Specification Required". The "IANA Registry Updates for TLS and DTLS" (RFC 8447) is on the Standards Track. The RFC is about instructions for the designed experts and IANA. Section 12, for example, states that "It is sufficient to have an Internet-Draft (that is posted and never published as an RFC) or a document from another standards body, industry consortium, university site, etc." There is a conflict between BCP 26 and RFC 8447. I copied my comments to the document shepherd and Responsible Area Director for RFC 8447 in case they may be able to help with the above query. Regards, S. Moonesamy
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- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Salz, Rich
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Randy Presuhn
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime John C Klensin
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime S Moonesamy
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Randy Presuhn
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime S Moonesamy
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Randy Presuhn
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime John C Klensin
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Carsten Bormann
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime S Moonesamy
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Michael StJohns
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime John C Klensin
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime David Schinazi
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Michael StJohns
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime S Moonesamy
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime S Moonesamy
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Randy Presuhn
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime John C Klensin
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime S Moonesamy
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime John C Klensin
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime John Scudder
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Eliot Lear
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime John Scudder
- Re: [saag] SSH & Ntruprime Keith Moore
- Registration of code points. Re: [saag] SSH & Ntr… Phillip Hallam-Baker