RE: Last Call: <draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-analysis-08.txt> (AnOverviewoftheOAM Tool Set for MPLS based Transport Networks) toInformational RFC

No one has asked you to change your mind!

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From: ietf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Huub van Helvoort
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:12 PM
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-analysis-08.txt> (AnOverviewoftheOAM Tool Set for MPLS based Transport Networks) toInformational RFC

Hallo Nurit,

I will *not* change my mind.
So it is useless to continue this thread.

Just make the changes I requested.

Regards, Huub.
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On 23-03-12 08:11, Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon) wrote:
> Huub hi,
> The document went through two WG last calls...it is a pity you did not
> use the opportunity to provide your useful comment then.
> I am surprised that it took you almost two years and seven revisions of
> the document before you actually realized you are not happy with the way
> we acknowledged you upon your own request. Surely for a draft where the
> removal of your name from the list of editors was driven by your
> concerns that people might misread your involvement/position. I would
> think that in two years you would get around to checking for you that
> the new acknowledgement is satisfactory.
> Best regards,
> Nurit
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> ext Huub van Helvoort
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:28 AM
> To: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Last Call:<draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-analysis-08.txt>  (An
> Overviewofthe OAM Tool Set for MPLS based Transport Networks)
> toInformational RFC
>
> Hallo Nurit,
>
> You replied:
>
>> Thanks for your comments to IESG...
>
> The IESG did send the message in order to make a decision, that
> is why I addressed my comments to them.
>
>> We can easily remove your name from the acknowledgement section.
>
> Go ahead and do it.
>
>> We put you there upon your request!
>
> It is clear from your response that you did not understand my initial
> explanation and request to be removed as editor.
> When I wrote "you could mention me in the acknowledgements section" I
> did *not* mean "make it more easy for the reader to mis-interpret the
> acknowledgement for my role as Q10 rapporteur".
> You did not even send me the text that you were going to include to
> verify that this text would have taken away my concern.
>
>> I am sorry that I am going to share on the list a private mail from
> you
>> to me but I can see no other choice with the mail you have just sent
> to
>> the list.
>
> It just proves that you did not understand my initial explanation.
>
> Regards, Huub.
> ==============
>> As you recall you were an editor of the draft and on June 2010 (when
> the
>> document was already an IETF document for a while), you have asked to
>> remove your name from the list of editors. See
>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mpls-tp/current/msg04118.html.
> the
>> main reason was as you said:
>>
>> "It was my intention to be editor as an IETF member, however there are
>> people that interpret my name/role differently. They see it as being
>> editor as an ITU-T member and recently even as being editor as an
> ITU-T
>> Q10 rapporteur.".
>>
>> In a private mail you sent me later (attached) you proposed to include
>> you in the acknowledgement section:
>>
>> " Yes, remove my name as editor. As Adrian suggested, you could
> mention
>> me in the acknowledgements section."
>>
>> It is a pity that you did not inform us that you changed your mind
> since
>> then, but it can easily be fixed!
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Nurit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ietf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of
>> ext Huub van Helvoort
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:49 AM
>> To: ietf@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: Last Call:<draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-analysis-08.txt>  (An
>> Overviewof the OAM Tool Set for MPLS based Transport Networks)
>> toInformational RFC
>>
>> IESG,
>>
>> I do *NOT* support this draft unless the following changes are made:
>>
>> The first paragraph of section 8 Acknowledgements has to be removed:
>>
>> It is an attempt to capture history, but lacks accuracy.
>>
>> Removal does not impact the technical information in the draft;
>>
>> the tools have evolved significantly from the strawman tools proposed
>>
>> in Stockholm; some members of the MEAD team (I am one of them) do not
>>
>> consider that an agreement on this proposal was reached.
>>
>> I also request the removal of my name from this acknowledgements
> section
>>
>> since I do not support this tool set, neither as an individual nor as
>>
>> ITU-T Q10 rapporteur. The latter is implied by mentioning my name in
>>
>> the same sentence as a WG chair and ADs.
>>
>> Regards, Huub.
>>
>> =============
>>
>>   >  The IESG has received a request from the Multiprotocol Label
> Switching WG
>>
>>   >  (mpls) to consider the following document:
>>
>>   >  - 'An Overview of the OAM Tool Set for MPLS based Transport
> Networks'
>>
>>   >  <draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-analysis-08.txt>  as an Informational RFC
>>
>>   >
>>
>>   >  The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and
> solicits
>>
>>   >  final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to
> the
>>
>>   >  ietf@ietf.org<mailto:ietf@ietf.org>  mailing lists by 2012-03-23.
>> Exceptionally, comments may be
>>
>>   >  sent to iesg@ietf.org<mailto:iesg@ietf.org>  instead. In either
> case,
>> please retain the
>>
>>   >  beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.
>>
>>   >
>>
>>   >  Abstract
>>
>>   >
>>
>>   >  This document provides an overview of the OAM toolset for MPLS
> based
>>
>>   >  Transport Networks. The toolset consists of a comprehensive set of
>>
>>   >  fault management and performance monitoring capabilities (operating
>>
>>   >  in the data-plane) which are appropriate for transport networks as
>>
>>   >  required in RFC 5860 and support the network and services at
>>
>>   >  different nested levels. This overview includes a brief recap of
>>
>>   >  MPLS-TP OAM requirements and functions, and of generic mechanisms
>>
>>   >  created in the MPLS data plane to allow the OAM packets run in-band
>>
>>   >  and share their fate with data packets. The protocol definitions
> for
>>
>>   >  each of the MPLS-TP OAM tools are defined in separate documents
> (RFCs
>>
>>   >  or Working Group drafts) which are referenced by this document.
>>   >
>>   >
>>   >  The file can be obtained via
>>   >  http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-analysis/
>>   >
>>   >  IESG discussion can be tracked via
>>   >
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-analysis/ballot/
>>   >
>>   >
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