Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance
SM <sm@resistor.net> Thu, 21 November 2013 09:51 UTC
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 01:21:28 -0800
To: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>
From: SM <sm@resistor.net>
Subject: Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance
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Hi Jari, At 11:17 19-11-2013, Jari Arkko wrote: >However, while the site is coming up, it would >be useful to think about the kinds of things >that could be usefully discussed. There are >obviously many specific issues which belong to >already existing organisations. Such as protocol >parameter registry topic being an IETF/IAB >matter, TLD assignments an ICANN matter, etc. >There's little reason to create new places to >discuss such topics. On the other hand, it would >probably be good to have a place to discuss the >overall situation, relate work in different >organisations to each other, build more >co-operation, etc. What are your thoughts on >this? What topics do you think need additional attention? According to (unconfirmed) news articles the CEO of ICANN mentioned that there's now a "coalition" of the "I*" groups (ICANN, IETF, etc), big-name companies such as Disney, and governments such as Brazil, focused on creating multistakeholder solutions to problems such as spam and cyber-bullying. I have participated in the antispam discussions for some time. I don't recall seeing anyone from Disney participating in the discussions [1]. According to ICANN there is growing pressures to address issues outside its sphere of responsibility as a motivating factor in forming a high-level panel. From an IETF perspective I have some doubts about whether it is a good idea for the IETF to join a coalition where the IETF Chair would be signing mission creep [2] statements. The IETF has been perceived as neutral. It can take a position for or against the interests of Country X if there is consensus for that. I don't think that the IETF leaders should rely on the consent of the governed in taking such a position or create a fait accompli [3]. The IETF leaders [4] have been silent about the topic in the subject line; I am excluding the help comments about the 1net.org web site. That is not a good omen for openness. Regards, -sm 1. discussions which are open 2. the gradual broadening of the original objectives of a mission or organization 3. something that has been done and cannot be changed 4. except Jari
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… SM
- Re: Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future… Russ Housley
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Jorge Amodio
- Re: Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future… John Levine
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Lucy Lynch
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Jorge Amodio
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… SM
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Dave Cridland
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Jorge Amodio
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Dave Cridland
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… SM
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Jari Arkko
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Dave Crocker
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Scott Kitterman
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Dave Crocker
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Randy Bush
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- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Jorge Amodio
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Jorge Amodio
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Dave Crocker
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… SM
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Jorge Amodio
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Jorge Amodio
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Jorge Amodio
- Re: Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future… Russ Housley
- Re: Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future… Jorge Amodio
- Re: Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future… Jorge Amodio
- Re: Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future… Russ Housley
- Re: Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future… Russ Housley
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Dave Crocker
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… jonne.soininen
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Jorge Amodio
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… SM
- Re: Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Jari Arkko
- Re: Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future… SM
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Randy Bush
- Re: Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future… Bob Hinden
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Jorge Amodio
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Jari Arkko
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Jorge Amodio
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… SM
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… Jorge Amodio
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- Re: severely UNCHECKED Global Multistakeholder Me… John Levine
- Re: What "1net" is... (was: Re: ***UNCHECKED*** G… SM
- Re: Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future… Jorge Amodio
- Re: What "1net" is... (was: Re: ***UNCHECKED*** G… John Curran
- Re: What "1net" is... (was: Re: ***UNCHECKED*** G… SM
- Re: What "1net" is... (was: Re: ***UNCHECKED*** G… John Curran
- Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Global Multistakeholder Meeti… SM
- Recent Internet governance events (was: Re: ***UN… John Curran
- Re: Recent Internet governance events (was: Re: *… Jorge Amodio
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- Re: Recent Internet governance events (was: Re: *… SM
- Re: Recent Internet governance events (was: Re: *… Phillip Hallam-Baker
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- Re: IPv6 deployment [was Re: Recent Internet gove… Brian E Carpenter
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- Re: IPv6 deployment [was Re: Recent Internet gove… SM
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- Re: IPv6 deployment [was Re: Recent Internet gove… Ted Lemon
- Re: IPv6 deployment [was Re: Recent Internet gove… John Levine
- Re: IPv6 deployment [was Re: Recent Internet gove… SM
- Re: IPv6 deployment [was Re: Recent Internet gove… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IETF] IPv6 deployment [was Re: Recent Intern… Ross Finlayson
- Re: IPv6 deployment [was Re: Recent Internet gove… Ted Lemon
- Re: IPv6 deployment [was Re: Recent Internet gove… SM
- Re: IPv6 deployment . . . Geoff Huston's 2011 pre… Robin Whittle
- Re: Recent Internet governance events (was: Re: *… Jari Arkko