Re: IPv6 deployment [was Re: Recent Internet governance events]

SM <sm@resistor.net> Fri, 22 November 2013 17:48 UTC

Return-Path: <sm@resistor.net>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC6A1AC7F0 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:48:59 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: 1.237
X-Spam-Level: *
X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.237 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06=3.027, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VY-SvnTK7LBX for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:48:58 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE361ADFEE for <ietf@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:48:58 -0800 (PST)
Received: from SUBMAN.resistor.net (IDENT:sm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rAMHmiYV002093; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:48:48 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1385142531; bh=eFi2R98xrRfD9onH6jW2YR3RQ+WwkDNE5F0gH9UGaiI=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=g1+Tp1yIg9cuCN7bX7Z0LCIIs2kT5z5zjjZuFY4vdSfZzo65YclIm7a7D2jxEjEHR IcUzxIshfdTcozR6oxu75YBkxVSKbfclshIGJzDxWrEkdEHbR6BFnoz6bFQLAO/ScZ 90MUtNfXWTca12OR2NmRRRqvfUOxmkI/WEAKyv6U=
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=resistor.net; s=mail; t=1385142531; i=@resistor.net; bh=eFi2R98xrRfD9onH6jW2YR3RQ+WwkDNE5F0gH9UGaiI=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=NMBCeGsUNe37I+x6hlBKYVr0/WVOmN2PE7aFGcBnCTXIfqCc8WtuvKbxjGzop/v6M 8ivzfyYJA9AS6q/rgH0BaHJ2rgK8SXgHhDI7r1qXKYDQV1tDKp35ZFkaSKx9kelfkr o0ccX9OJfBfCFy1e9ovGAnvr4rOxnjMqSp6m42HU=
Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20131122062815.06e17b70@resistor.net>
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:00:00 -0800
To: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>, Ted Lemon <ted.lemon@nominum.com>
From: SM <sm@resistor.net>
Subject: Re: IPv6 deployment [was Re: Recent Internet governance events]
In-Reply-To: <20131122004945.44193.qmail@joyce.lan>
References: <528EA983.6060208@gmail.com> <20131122004945.44193.qmail@joyce.lan>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:49:00 -0000

At 16:49 21-11-2013, John Levine wrote:
> >Of course, the dual stack model only works while you still have enough
> >v4 space for one-per-customer.
>
>Why can't you run dual stack with CGN?

This takes you [1] down a path which goes against architectural 
assumptions.  A CGN creates fractions of the addressing space.  As 
the addressing space per customer diminishes the Internet service 
vendor will have to reduce the level of access sold to the customer.

At 08:36 22-11-2013, Ted Lemon wrote:
>CGNs are expensive.   Why would people prefer to maintain them if 
>the IPv6 infrastructure was working?   I don't get the impression 
>that anybody wants CGNs around forever.

It's not that people want CGNs around for a long time.  It's an 
irrational choice [2] as people might feel that they are wasting what 
they have paid for.

Regards,
-sm

1. Used in the general sense
2. http://www.oxfamblogs.org/fp2p/wp-content/uploads/rational_choice.jpg