Re: [IETF] DMARC methods in mailman
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Tue, 27 December 2016 19:47 UTC
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Subject: Re: [IETF] DMARC methods in mailman
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From: Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net>
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On 12/27/2016 11:02 AM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > If "Sender + From" are displayed as in Outlook, then it becomes reasonable > to authenticate Sender when present, and not apply authentication policy > to "From", since the message is not in fact *from* the author. It is from > the sender, (purportedly) on behalf of the author. > > It is rather implausible that phishers will want to present their messages > this way (on behalf of), most users don't receive such email, and it will > stand out as unexpected. And users who still believe such messages to be > legitimately *from* the purported author and fall victim to scams will fall > for a myriad other misdirections. All of the above is language cast in terms of end-users. In the absence of extremely careful and constrained and informed reference, discussion of phishing needs to completely avoid references to end-users. Really. Just stop. Everyone. End-users are essentially irrelevant to the formalized detection and handling of phishing. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
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