Re: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (Nominating Committee Process: Open Disclosure of Willing Nominees) to BCP
Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> Mon, 27 July 2009 12:09 UTC
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From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (Nominating Committee Process: Open Disclosure of Willing Nominees) to BCP
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The IETF Last Call discussion of draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist resulted in a healthy discussion with many people speaking. Some people think that the open list is the right thing to do, but other people want to redesign the entire NomCom process from a base set of principles. This message summarizes my view of the consensus following that discussion, and it suggests a way forward. Overall, I think there is community support for open lists. However, there are a few shades of gray regarding issues that were raised in the IETF Last Call. For publication of an open list being mandatory... ... I judge the consensus to be against it. That is, publication of an open list by NomCom is allowed but not required. For allowing NomCom to suppress names ... ... I judge the consensus to allow it. That is, the community does not want to tie the NomCom hands as there may be cases where it is the right thing to do. For open feedback sessions on IAB/IESG/AD/WG chair performance and interaction with NomCom when some people being discussed are under consideration by NomCom ... ... I judge the consensus to be that the community does not consider this to be a real problem. The community wants NomCom-selected leadership to be able to publicly seek feedback on their performance. It is also silly to ask NomCom to ignore any public feedback sessions that might occur. For allowing nominees to say "but the incumbent is better" in public ... ... I judge the consensus to be against such statements. We also want to avoid statements that say, "I'm running because the current guy isn't doing a good job". For statements of opinion in the draft ("the community might accept") ... ... I will have the author remove them before IESG evaluation. Spencer included this material to indicate that comments from earlier reviews were heard.. However, I think that potential concerns about open nominee lists should go in an appendix. This material could be useful in the future. For MUST NOT lobby or campaign ... ... I judge that the community did not reach consensus on this topic. Important points include: 1) It was pointed out that the only enforcement mechanism available is for NomCom to do something if it happens. If public statements of support are perceived to work, then we have changed the process in a way that we want to avoid. 2) Refusal to consider people just because someone else made a public statement of support seems unwise. That would be a serious DOS attack. 3) We should have MUST NOT precisely because we can't enforce the rules, so they need to look strong. ... I have asked the author to rewrite this section to make these points: 1) Nominee encouraged lobbying and campaigning are considered unacceptable behavior. 2) NomCom cannot be expected to completely ignore any lobby or campaign effort that might occur; however, NomCom ought to consider the judgment of any nominee that encourages or supports such activities. I suggest that the best way forward from this point is to have the author post an updated I-D, and then conduct a focused IETF Last Call on the one yet-to-be-resolved issue. Russ Housley General Area Director
- Re: Fw: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist … Jari Arkko
- Re: Fw: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist … Spencer Dawkins
- Re: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (Nom… Dave CROCKER
- Fw: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (Nom… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: Fw: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist … Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Fw: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist … Doug Ewell
- Re: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (Nom… Bob Hinden
- Re: Fw: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist … Harald Alvestrand
- RE: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (Nom… Pasi.Eronen
- Re: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (Nom… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (Nom… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (Nom… Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (Nom… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (Nom… Jari Arkko
- Re: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (Nom… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (Nom… Jari Arkko
- Re: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (Nom… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (Nom… Russ Housley
- Re: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (Nom… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (Nom… Thomas Narten
- Re: Last Call: draft-dawkins-nomcom-openlist (Nom… Andrew Sullivan