Re: Last Call: <draft-farrell-perpass-attack-02.txt> (Pervasive Monitoring is an Attack) to Best Current Practice
Stefan Winter <stefan.winter@restena.lu> Fri, 06 December 2013 10:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-farrell-perpass-attack-02.txt> (Pervasive Monitoring is an Attack) to Best Current Practice
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Hi, Not long ago, someone was stabbed with a knife, so: > Encryption has its dangers and the IETF should not be encouraging its > widespread adoption. Knives have their dangers, and the metal-processing industry should not be encouraging their widespread adoption. Funny - that conclusion, which is analogous to yours, doesn't make much sense to me. Does it to you? Encryption is a tool - it's neither good nor bad in itself. What you do with it is the question. What we have seen in deployed reality is that lack of usage of this tool by the internet population at large has played into the hands of adversaries. The idea to put the tool into everybody's hands and make them *use* it is absolutely a good idea as a countermeasure IMHO. Especially since the adversaries *are* using it, regardless whether the good guys do or not. The rioters you mention above did use it - and they can continue to do so no matter what we decide in the IETF. The TV manufacturer could have used it - they were simply stupid enough to forget about it. Greetings, Stefan Winter > > Tom Petch > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jari Arkko" <jari.arkko@piuha.net> > To: <ietf@ietf.org> > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 4:45 AM > Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-farrell-perpass-attack-02.txt> (Pervasive > Monitoring is an Attack) to Best Current Practice > > > I wanted to draw your attention on this last call: > >> The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to > consider >> the following document: >> - 'Pervasive Monitoring is an Attack' >> <draft-farrell-perpass-attack-02.txt> as Best Current Practice >> >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrell-perpass-attack/ > > > It is a short read and important, so please comment. The last call ends > in four weeks and covers holiday time, but we'll deal with this document > on the January 9th telechat in the IESG, so in practice there should be > enough time to comment. > > I would like to see this document as a high-level policy we have on > dealing with this particular type of vulnerabilities in the Internet. A > little bit like RFC 3365 "Danvers Doctrine" was on weak vs. strong > security. Please remember that the details and tradeoffs for specific > solutions are for our WGs to consider and not spelled out here. The > draft does say "where possible" - I do not want to give the impression > that our technology can either fully prevent all vulnerabilities or do > it in all situations. There are obviously aspects that do not relate to > communications security (like access to content by your peer) and there > are many practical considerations that may not make it possible to > provide additional privacy protection even when we are talking about the > communications part. But I do believe we need to consider these > vulnerabilities and do our best. > > Jari > > > > -- Stefan WINTER Ingenieur de Recherche Fondation RESTENA - Réseau Téléinformatique de l'Education Nationale et de la Recherche 6, rue Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi L-1359 Luxembourg Tel: +352 424409 1 Fax: +352 422473 PGP key updated to 4096 Bit RSA - I will encrypt all mails if the recipient's key is known to me http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xC0DE6A358A39DC66
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