Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889
Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com> Fri, 20 August 2021 16:31 UTC
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From: Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 09:31:04 -0700
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Subject: Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889
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Thanks all, I'm hearing strong consensus that 8321 should be a PS and somewhat weaker support for 8889, but no dissents. If anyone has serious concerns, this would be a good time to say so. On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 3:02 AM Ran Pang(联通集团中国联通研究院-本部) < pangran@chinaunicom.cn> wrote: > Hi Martin and WG, > > The alt-mk described in RFC8321/8889 has been deployed in some of our > networks. > > It works well. > > So I would like the WG consider elevate them to proposed standard. > > > Best regards, > Pang Ran. > > > *From:* Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com> > *Date:* 2021-08-13 02:26 > *To:* IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org> > *Subject:* [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 > Hello IPPM, > > (with AD hat on) > > The IESG is currently considering > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-alt-mark-08 > which is the implementation of RFC 8321 > <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8321.html> and 8889 > <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8889.html> techniques in an IPv6 > framework. IIUC, this is very much how things are "supposed to work" -- > measurement definitions and methodology are done by IPPM, and the > protocol-specific instantiations are in the respective working groups. > > However, there are complications in that 8321 and 8889 are Experimental > RFCs, and the ipv6-alt-mark draft is a Proposed Standard. This has resulted > in text from 8321/8889 going into ipv6-alt-mark so that it can be elevated > to PS. I'm told that, if the status quo holds, other drafts will reference > ipv6-alt-mark to avoid a downref. This seems suboptimal. > > I would prefer that *we take one of the two following actions*: > 1) If the WG has consensus that we are comfortable that there is enough > experience with 8321 and/or 8889 to elevate them to PS, I can initiate a > document action to change their status. > > 2) If there is no such consensus, ipv6-alt-mark should be Experimental. > > In either case, the draft can probably lose some of the duplicate text. > > Logically, there is a third option -- that the bits of the RFCs copied in > the draft are mature enough to be a standard, but that the others aren't. > Though I'm not an expert, I doubt this is the case. But if people believe > it to be true, we'll have to come up with new options. > > I would be grateful for the working group's thoughts about these documents > and the ideas therein. Is it reasonable for people to read and reflect on > this by 26 August (2 weeks from today?) > > Thanks, > Martin > > 如果您错误接收了该邮件,请通过电子邮件立即通知我们。请回复邮件到 hqs-spmc@chinaunicom.cn,即可以退订此邮件。我们将立即将您的信息从我们的发送目录中删除。 > If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately by > e-mail. Please reply to hqs-spmc@chinaunicom.cn ,you can unsubscribe from > this mail. We will immediately remove your information from send catalogue > of our. >
- [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Martin Duke
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Jai Kumar
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 xiao.min2
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Giuseppe Fioccola
- Re: [ippm] [EXT] RFC 8321 and 8889 Cociglio Mauro
- [ippm] 答复: RFC 8321 and 8889 qinfengwei
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Rakesh Gandhi
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 gregory.mirsky
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Tianran Zhou
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Ran Pang(联通集团中国联通研究院- 本部)
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Martin Duke
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 MORTON JR., AL
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Martin Duke
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 xiao.min2
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Tianran Zhou
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Giuseppe Fioccola
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Cociglio Mauro
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Mach Chen
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Martin Duke
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Giuseppe Fioccola
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 MORTON JR., AL
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Giuseppe Fioccola