Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889
Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com> Mon, 23 August 2021 19:34 UTC
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From: Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 12:34:06 -0700
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To: "MORTON JR., AL" <acmorton@att.com>
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Subject: Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889
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Hi Al, this is my impression as well. In a perfect world I would ask the WG to do a bis draft to inventory what is mature and to deprecate the bits that haven't seen real deployment. If it turns out that it's all deployed, then we could do a simpler document action. Is this work that anyone is interested in taking on? On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 9:41 AM MORTON JR., AL <acmorton@att.com> wrote: > Hi Martin, > > > > While I don’t have a serious concern, I’d prefer to elevate the parts of > 8321 that **were implemented** to PS. I think I read that some parts > were not implemented and I look to those who reported on their > implementations to say what they did. > > > > This thinning-out of non-implemented capabilities was a feature of > Standards Track Advancement processes in the past, so it makes sense to > apply it here as well. I realize this means a new draft, but the > processing could be accelerated to match the need. > > > > If the entire RFC 8321 was implemented, then this point is a non-issue. > > > > hope this helps, > > Al > > > > *From:* ippm <ippm-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *Martin Duke > *Sent:* Friday, August 20, 2021 12:31 PM > *To:* Ran Pang(联通集团中国联通研究院-本部) <pangran@chinaunicom.cn> > *Cc:* IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 > > > > Thanks all, > > > > I'm hearing strong consensus that 8321 should be a PS and somewhat weaker > support for 8889, but no dissents. > > > > If anyone has serious concerns, this would be a good time to say so. > > > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 3:02 AM Ran Pang(联通集团中国联通研究院-本部) < > pangran@chinaunicom.cn> wrote: > > Hi Martin and WG, > > > > The alt-mk described in RFC8321/8889 has been deployed in some of our > networks. > > It works well. > > So I would like the WG consider elevate them to proposed standard. > > > > Best regards, > > Pang Ran. > > > > *From:* Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com> > > *Date:* 2021-08-13 02:26 > > *To:* IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org> > > *Subject:* [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 > > Hello IPPM, > > > > (with AD hat on) > > > > The IESG is currently considering > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-alt-mark-08 > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-alt-mark-08__;!!BhdT!04s1Z7EtCnJrifRI3dUP1d0hps2MsV_B1gLCAqMQ1jJwmHnx-jiXCBYQM6IB$> > > which is the implementation of RFC 8321 > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8321.html__;!!BhdT!04s1Z7EtCnJrifRI3dUP1d0hps2MsV_B1gLCAqMQ1jJwmHnx-jiXCEt7L0EO$> > and 8889 > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8889.html__;!!BhdT!04s1Z7EtCnJrifRI3dUP1d0hps2MsV_B1gLCAqMQ1jJwmHnx-jiXCD5jrkAO$> > techniques in an IPv6 framework. IIUC, this is very much how things are > "supposed to work" -- measurement definitions and methodology are done by > IPPM, and the protocol-specific instantiations are in the respective > working groups. > > > > However, there are complications in that 8321 and 8889 are Experimental > RFCs, and the ipv6-alt-mark draft is a Proposed Standard. This has resulted > in text from 8321/8889 going into ipv6-alt-mark so that it can be elevated > to PS. I'm told that, if the status quo holds, other drafts will reference > ipv6-alt-mark to avoid a downref. This seems suboptimal. > > > > I would prefer that *we take one of the two following actions*: > > 1) If the WG has consensus that we are comfortable that there is enough > experience with 8321 and/or 8889 to elevate them to PS, I can initiate a > document action to change their status. > > > > 2) If there is no such consensus, ipv6-alt-mark should be Experimental. > > > > In either case, the draft can probably lose some of the duplicate text. > > > > Logically, there is a third option -- that the bits of the RFCs copied in > the draft are mature enough to be a standard, but that the others aren't. > Though I'm not an expert, I doubt this is the case. But if people believe > it to be true, we'll have to come up with new options. > > > > I would be grateful for the working group's thoughts about these documents > and the ideas therein. Is it reasonable for people to read and reflect on > this by 26 August (2 weeks from today?) > > > > Thanks, > > Martin > > 如果您错误接收了该邮件,请通过电子邮件立即通知我们。请回复邮件到 hqs-spmc@chinaunicom.cn,即可以退 > 订此邮件。我们将立即将您的信息从我们的发送目录中删除。 If you have received this email in error > please notify us immediately by e-mail. Please reply to > hqs-spmc@chinaunicom.cn ,you can unsubscribe from this mail. We will > immediately remove your information from send catalogue of our. > >
- [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Martin Duke
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Jai Kumar
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 xiao.min2
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Giuseppe Fioccola
- Re: [ippm] [EXT] RFC 8321 and 8889 Cociglio Mauro
- [ippm] 答复: RFC 8321 and 8889 qinfengwei
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Rakesh Gandhi
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 gregory.mirsky
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Tianran Zhou
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Ran Pang(联通集团中国联通研究院- 本部)
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Martin Duke
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 MORTON JR., AL
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Martin Duke
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 xiao.min2
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Tianran Zhou
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Giuseppe Fioccola
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Cociglio Mauro
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Mach Chen
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Martin Duke
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Giuseppe Fioccola
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 MORTON JR., AL
- Re: [ippm] RFC 8321 and 8889 Giuseppe Fioccola